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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 16:00
Donīt know the releasedate exactly, but early 1969 came an album that I regard very high as a "progpioneer" album; TOUCH, by the band of the same name. Itīs absolutely stunning, more so in regard that the bands writer/keyboardist Don Gallucci was only 19 y.o. at the time. This came to be their only album.
You can read more here: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1552
If you havenīt heard it, please do. Itīs essential!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 16:21
Originally posted by antonyus antonyus wrote:

Pink Floyd - The Wall

I hope you are posting in the wrong thread?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:49
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well due diligence here, are we to not consider The Shaggs?

 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 21:41
 I'm not sure what is and isn't progressive rock anymore(?).Confused
 I'll throw a couple more albums in the fuel of fire.
 How about the UK band Family's first release, Music in a Doll's House, released in early 1968. I just listened to it yesterday hearing Mellotrons, horns, and strings. Very eclectic, progressive, and fused with blues, R&B, psychedelia, and even folk.
 Southern California's Spirit self-titled debut, once again an early '68 release. I guess eclectic could also describe Spirit. An array of psych, folk, jazz, blues, classical, and even Indian influences. Absolutely progressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 22:03
If you're asking for the first album with progressive rock as a fully-arrived genre, I'd have to say it's probably In the Court.  I'd also say there is no such thing as the "genre" of "progressive rock".  With that in mind, as so many people have pointed out, the seeds of prog rock have been sewn long before this.  I really enjoyed seeing somebody include Brubeck's "Time Out" - that was the first album I can think of that set out with the ambitious intention of making more challenging music, and it was a resounding success.  Also, Procol Harum was here very early on, as was Caravan and Jethro Tull (as you point out, these bands hadn't really fully arrived, but they were innovating very early on).

I think I'd give the honor to Procol Harum's debut.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 23:35
Originally posted by heavyhallis heavyhallis wrote:

Donīt know the releasedate exactly, but early 1969 came an album that I regard very high as a "progpioneer" album; TOUCH, by the band of the same name. Itīs absolutely stunning, more so in regard that the bands writer/keyboardist Don Gallucci was only 19 y.o. at the time. This came to be their only album.
You can read more here: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1552
If you havenīt heard it, please do. Itīs essential!
Cheers to all from Sweden


Much as I love In The Court Of The Crimson King my first impulse was to name this Touch album as well.  I was fortunate enough to pick it up on vinyl at the time of its initial appearance in 1968.  The music has some truly spectacular moments.  It's been said that the album (and band) was (were) abandoned by their label which caused its descent into obscurity in a very short time - which would nicely explain things; the quality of music certainly wouldn't have been the cause!  I've not found, nor could I likely afford,  the very brief CD release with its bonus material but I'm very glad to have an original  vinyl!  By all means, I'd recommend it if you can lay your hands on it somehow. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 03:40
If progressive rock means art rock i.e. beyond whatever basic rock passes for basic at any time Then there are quite a few before ITCOTCK. That just happens to be the best / greatest at that time. All these albums happened in a  few short years  - the equivalent of 2006 - 2009. Just the weight of perceived time might skew the perspectiw (oh, a rare opportunity to use a Kobaian word.)

Heh, what is the MOST proggiest album of them all? DeadOuch

or the least proggiest prog album? ConfusedCry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 04:14
It is not important at all which album was the first. that kind of music simply was in the air at that time, and it would have happened anyway. The Germans already had a prolific scene with only one problem: No band had dared to make an album; they all suffered from inferiority complex. When Amon Düül's "Psychedelic Underground" came out this inferiority complex was cured; no band could possibly be worse than that, and suddenly lots of albums came out. And that was in 1969 too, and I am not sure if "Psychedelic Underground" came out before or after "In the Court of the Crimson King".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 04:42
[QUOTE=BaldFriede] When Amon Düül's "Psychedelic Underground" came out this inferiority complex was cured; no band could possible be worse than that, QUOTE]

LOL

Just wait 'til you find NZ's indie scene of the late 1970s and 1980s. The true legacy of punk meets lo-fi. I mean it is okay to try to sound good, but ... no...

I had to demonstrate Zeppelin, Floyd, Yes etc in order to rebel against this corporate order of the day. (I know  - off topic... just ignore.)

Actually a friend of mine listened to ELP, Tull (with whom I was acquainted) and Purple. But I was well impressed. I was more into the heavy rock, Zeppelin, Purple, Heep, Sabbath. Our music teacher did have VdGG, Floyd and made pupils write out the lyrics to Stairway just to indicat ethat decent words could happen in roc. Wasn't he surprised when I finished mine without referring to his sheet...

Oh, Floyd I suppose might be it... Relics. Unless it was a Yardbirds compilation? The only time I remember seeing the term progressive rock was on CBS samplers tthat included Johnny Winter, Flora Purim, Mahavishnu and Blue Oyster Cult. Who knows what prog rock is. CBS / Sony didn't and neither do I.

When my age was in single figures I recall hearing (there were lots of hippy students where I lived) King Crimson (Poseidon), Stand Up (loved it and didn't have the vocab to articulate why - still don't, it leaves me speechless with happiness.) Oh and hearing Fat Old Sun and Echoes did strange things. I also vaguely recall seeing a plastic (as in floppy give away freebie) record on a magazine (a square record as it were) that said something about Pink Floyd. There were four tracks on it. Later research reveals this was some bootleg material that was released in this "official" way...

There was a Who tune called I Can't Reach You that I like when playing in a sandbox. I liked the Doors as well but I was a funny kid.

So Relics or Yesterdays. I think. It might have been Yesterdays. My memory does not serve me well.

Plus a whole lot of things that made me what I am today.

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I do know that hearing the Yes album straightened the whole thing out.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 05:04

I'm going to have to agree with everyone who said Pet Sounds...probably the first time there was an attempt at fusing "art" with "pop," at least, in a "rock" sense...

That Brian. He was quite good at what he did, eh? Saw him in concert once. He's doing okay, I think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 10:24

Wow, this Touch album is pretty cool.  I've never heard, nor heard of, it before.   I'm just hearing samples right now, to buy the freakin' thing will cost over $50 bucks on Amazon. 

This whole discussion has really been a pleasure and I appreciate everyone chiming in.  Its really got me both more enlightened and also twisted into the knots.  On one hand someone says possibly the only thing KC really did first was sound like KC  Wink    I both agree and disagree with that.   But I'm also reevaluating just how much retro respect we put on ITCOTKC.  Frankly, if you take "21 Century S. Man" out of it, ITCOTKC begins to sound a whole lot like the more psych and experimental albums that came before it.  Someone even said KC at this point really was "still" ProtoProg.   
 
I think the fact that ITCOTKC is 1, excellent, 2, was a pretty good seller compared to many other underground acts, 3, was darker in tone/vocals, 4 the cover was intense and new; and finally 5, had that one song "21 Century S. Man" sort of put at an artifical "ground zero" for "Prog Rock".   
 
There is no denying that there may had been other metal'ish type tunes before "21 Century S. Man", but "21 Century S. Man" had that long prog jam, that wasn't just a Cream/Clapton extended style improv solo, but a composed/complex run of intricate band virtuosity.  
 
All this sort of added up to ITCOTKC being viewed by many as the beginning of modern "Prog Rock" as a genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 11:14
Well I was going to say Trespass by Genesis.. But looking at wikipedia it came out a whole 13 days and a year later than In the Court of the Crimson King Confused 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 11:49
What was the first human being? Where in the long line from Australopithecus afarensis via Pithecanthropus erectus to Homo sapiens do we draw the line?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:21
what about Chicago Transitt Authority, quite virtouostic from 1969 double album which swims in ambitous rock, jazz, psych, classical, funk, soul and folk land
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:23
Sgt. Pepper's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:33
It all depends on how you try and define progressive rock...within the scope of my music collection ITCOTCK is the earliest prog rock album.
 
I can't find the thread I started where I explain my own definition...oh well.  I haven't found the time but I am hoping someday to create a definition and a scoring system for that definition and see how it works to identify a progressive rock song as opposed to other rock songs.  My definition is based on the idea that prog rock is an identifiable genre, but it also takes into account that there is a shading of progressive elements in a song (and a band).
 
It's all fun if you like the "definer's game" as I do.  Many would rather just appreciate the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 12:47
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

What was the first human being? Where in the long line from Australopithecus afarensis via Pithecanthropus erectus to Homo sapiens do we draw the line?

Whichever one could play a more complex bone flute solo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:53
 
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

When Amon Düül's "Psychedelic Underground" came out this inferiority complex was cured; no band could possible be worse than that,
LOL
 
With all due respect it was not even supposed to be "released" ... but by that time the commune had become famoust for its sit-ins and music-ins ... some of which were some of the inspiration that eventually became a Grateful Dead tradition. All of these sit-ins and music-ins were nothing but a good excuse to get stoned and then get laid and you can hear the break and the commentary about the party with AD2's first album ... which is the break from the commune altogether ... so all that stuff, all that this and that, all the idealism ... all it meant was sex? ... and a party? And later still AD2 wrote a massive anthem on it all ... it's called "Apocaliptic Bore".
 
Musically, all of these albums are not that important. But as an event and an important documentary of the time and what people were going through and learning ... I would thing that it is as important as a lot of other historical finds ... except that we think that it's stupid that a bunch of kids were stoned and tripping out banging some drums and other instruments!
 
So ... you might reconsider whose feet you're feathering on!
 
It was a time to learn and "feel" something else ... and if that is what it took to learn, that's what it takes to learn ... and who's to say that it is  not a viable method for anything ... the communes in Germany alone at the time left behind an amazing legacy of film, theater, art and music ... with the difference being ... does it matter to anyone? Specially here!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 10:59
I'm a huge Brubeck, Sun Ra, Beach Boys, Moody Blues, Procol, Beatles fan.  They all were progressive and even innovative.   But like it or not  "Prog Rock" is a genre just like Country or Surf Rock.  I can name a lot of alt.country artists that the Nashville crowd doesn't consider "Country", but the alt.country dudes have a stronger connection to Hank Williams than some of these other pop country clowns.  The point being, its always going to be open to interpretation as to the firm boundaries of who is or isn't "Prog".  But like it or not, Prog Rock is a "name" for a genre.  
 
 Was Marillion really "progressing" the music forward?   Not really.  They were sustaing a tradition established in the previous decade.   Thats honorable too  (we don't criticize traditional jazz artists for not pushing the boundaries anymore).    But Marillion was most definately playing "Prog Rock".  
 
To me its just not that complicated a thing.  We slap a label (even if it was slapped on in retrospect) on a general style of music and move on.  I love saying I"m a "Prog Rock" fan.   People get that.  You can't move through life without labels and names for things.    
 
Related, I like this overview of "Prog Rock" in All Music Guide.  I'd like to cite who wrote it, but they didn't include a name.
 
Prog-rock began to emerge out of the British psychedelic scene in 1967, specifically a strain of classical/symphonic rock led by the Nice, Procol Harum, and the Moody Blues (Days of Future Passed). King Crimson's 1969 debut In the Court of the Crimson King firmly established the concept of progressive rock, and a quirky, eclectic scene was taking shape in Canterbury, led by the jazzy psychedelia of the Soft Machine. Prog-rock became a commercial force in the early '70s, with Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, and Pink Floyd leading the way. Meanwhile, a more avant-garde scene (dubbed Kraut-rock) was developing in Germany, and eccentric, unclassifiable bands continued to emerge in the U.K. By the mid-'70s, a backlash was beginning to set in; prog-rock sometimes mistook bombast for majesty, and its far-reaching ambition and concern with artistic legitimacy could make for overblown, pretentious music. Its heyday soon came to an end with the advent of punk, which explicitly repudiated prog's excesses and aimed to return rock & roll to its immediate, visceral roots. Still, prog-rock didn't completely go away. A number of AOR bands used prog ideas in more concise songs; plus, Pink Floyd, Yes, and Genesis all had number one singles in the '80s by retooling their approaches. A small cult of neo-prog bands catered to faithful audiences who still liked grandiose concepts and flashy technique; the first was Marillion, and many more popped up in the late '80s and early '90s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 21:28
 
 I bought it on vinyl some 25 years ago and later picked it up on CD as an UK import on the Eclectic label with bonus tracks.
 
 
I uploaded the album to Youtube and can hear at youtube.com/user/daviesthooker
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