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Tengent
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Topic: The Progressive Rock Composer: Left/Right Brained? Posted: July 17 2010 at 21:53 |
Today I met someone that referred to Larks' Tongues In Aspic as pure left brain bliss. This brought up an interesting point. Would Fripp write Larks' Tongues for the sake of creativity or complexity?
The right brain is most often associated with art and creativity. To me, progressive rock is a term used for bands who write purely creative, ingenious music, disregarding what the public thinks.
The left brain is associated with logic and real world dealings. But many people associate prog rock with well thought out music with difficult time signatures and complex structure. To be considered a successful progressive rock composer, you would likely need a smokin hot left brain.
Do you think progressive rock composers (or composers of modern music) are more left brained or right brained? We are obviously going to encounter some that are more right brained and some that are more left brained. Are there any obvious examples? Maybe most composers have a balance. I have a growing interest in psychology and find this subject extremely fascinating. Thanks. :p
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Posted: July 17 2010 at 22:37 |
Depends, really, on the style of music. Some things are intricately composed - more emphasis on the left-brain (most Zeuhl, RIO, Eclectic Prog bands) while some things are free and experimental - more right-brain oriented (most Krautrock, Space/psych)
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 01:34 |
You know, I'd almost call Larks Tongues right-brained...funny how this stuff works.
I'd say that, ultimately, music is pointless unless it comes from the right brain. Sure, our prog heroes may weave in complex parts that require "left brain bliss", but it's all to achieve an effect that appeals to emotion. Close to the Edge is a complex structural marvel, but it's one of the most emotional works I know of.
In other words, well-composed music should utilize elements of both emotion and technicality. No musician worth his or her weight in treble clefs wants to be The Sex Pistols or Behold...the Arctopus.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 05:51 |
The good prog composers aren't biased either way - the music is both technically sophisticated and emotionally resonant. The "golden age" of prog (early to mid 70s) was when bands like Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, VDGG, Gentle Giant, Le Orme etc. got the balance right. Towards the end of the 70s bands diluted the technical aspects to make their music more accessible and appeal to a wider audience. I think punk rock came about because people were tired of their brains being taxed by all these complex time signatures and 20 minute epics.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 07:32 |
Falx wrote:
I think punk rock came about because people were tired of their brains being taxed by all these complex time signatures and 20 minute epics. |
That seems to be the general consensus.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 09:12 |
I think that musicians use both hemispheres... As anyone.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 10:17 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
You know, I'd almost call Larks Tongues right-brained...funny how this stuff works.
I'd say that, ultimately, music is pointless unless it comes from the right brain. Sure, our prog heroes may weave in complex parts that require "left brain bliss", but it's all to achieve an effect that appeals to emotion. Close to the Edge is a complex structural marvel, but it's one of the most emotional works I know of.
In other words, well-composed music should utilize elements of both emotion and technicality. No musician worth his or her weight in treble clefs wants to be The Sex Pistols or Behold...the Arctopus. |
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 12:08 |
The brain may have two halves that work in different ways, but balance is the important thing in music and in life...
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 12:11 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The brain may have two halves that work in different ways, but balance is the important thing in music and in life...
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Well said, sir!
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 12:43 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
You know, I'd almost call Larks Tongues right-brained...funny how this stuff works.
I'd say that, ultimately, music is pointless unless it comes from the right brain. Sure, our prog heroes may weave in complex parts that require "left brain bliss", but it's all to achieve an effect that appeals to emotion. Close to the Edge is a complex structural marvel, but it's one of the most emotional works I know of.
In other words, well-composed music should utilize elements of both emotion and technicality. No musician worth his or her weight in treble clefs wants to be The Sex Pistols or Behold...the Arctopus. |
I couldn't agree more with this.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 13:20 |
I've always thought of technicality as a way to reach emotion. I also believe basicly everybody to have some musicality, but only few have the technique to craft music that carries complex emotions. Expressing some kind of emotion in music isn't necessarily very difficult, but if you want a dozen different shades, I'd say you already need some technical know-how in both playing and composition.
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Posted: July 19 2010 at 04:45 |
Yes seem to me good example of that. As the musicians-composers themselves (according to their early solo) I would say - Anderson is purely right, Howe tends to be purely left, Wakeman rather left, Squire more or less balanced. As a guitarist, I find Howe's Beginnings or SH album, mostly self-indulgent, and not very creative or emotional. He shows big variety and technicality but obviously lacks the imagination. On the other hand, for me, only Squire can compose album which is complex and very emotional in the same time.
The beauty of the Yes is in mixture of different brains, in their early period I especially see the chemistry between Howe and Anderson. I feel that Anderson's mind and ideas can catalyse Howe to do very innovative and emotional stuff combined with the virtuosity.
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Posted: July 19 2010 at 12:28 |
I know one thing for sure: tech-metal = left brain, jazz-fusion = right brained (usually). Listening to and composing great music requires much use of both sides. So I'd say most prog composers just have great minds period, using both sides more than any other rock composers.
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Posted: July 19 2010 at 14:03 |
Isa wrote:
I know one thing for sure: tech-metal = left brain, jazz-fusion = right brained (usually).
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Funny, I would have said its the other way around quite a bit of the time.
I think we can all agree that or any music to really be worth a damn it has to fully utilise the aspects of both sides of our brain, anything less and the results tend to be pretty meaningless.
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 19:09 |
Tengent wrote:
Today I met someone that referred to Larks' Tongues In Aspic as pure left brain bliss. This brought up an interesting point. Would Fripp write Larks' Tongues for the sake of creativity or complexity?
The right brain is most often associated with art and creativity. To me, progressive rock is a term used for bands who write purely creative, ingenious music, disregarding what the public thinks.
The left brain is associated with logic and real world dealings. But many people associate prog rock with well thought out music with difficult time signatures and complex structure. To be considered a successful progressive rock composer, you would likely need a smokin hot left brain. |
I actually love this and have been saying for ever that KC is not "progressive" in the sense of the word since the process they use for creating music is actually theatrical and conceptual ... which, by definition is not even artistic or creative since it is a brain function. And all brain functions are logical and so left brain that this person does need a wife ... might as well have a mannequin!
It certainly should be more enjoyable I'm sure!
And I love the ramifications and jokes that we can make off this post!
Edited by moshkito - July 20 2010 at 19:12
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 12:32 |
stewe wrote:
Yes seem to me good example of that. As the musicians-composers themselves (according to their early solo) I would say - Anderson is purely right, Howe tends to be purely left, Wakeman rather left, Squire more or less balanced. As a guitarist, I find Howe's Beginnings or SH album, mostly self-indulgent, and not very creative or emotional. He shows big variety and technicality but obviously lacks the imagination. On the other hand, for me, only Squire can compose album which is complex and very emotional in the same time.
The beauty of the Yes is in mixture of different brains, in their early period I especially see the chemistry between Howe and Anderson. I feel that Anderson's mind and ideas can catalyse Howe to do very innovative and emotional stuff combined with the virtuosity.
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And Bruford was left-brained......creating an imbalance: which is why he left the band!
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 21:13 |
thehallway wrote:
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And Bruford was left-brained......creating an imbalance: which is why he left the band! |
Nothing against Bill and he is nice ... but I am not sure that TFTO would be better with Bill ... I really think it needed a harder rock edge that Bill could not produce at the time. On the other hand, I really thought that Relayer could have used a Bill a lot better than Alan ... but that's just my ear!
I find it sad that we left our "preferences" get in the way of accepting artistic preferences and differences. YES did just fine without Bill and Bill did just as fine without YES, and the whole discussion is rather bizarre, insane and not necessary.
I do remember one comment by Robert Fripp that he really wanted to do one of the pieces in "Red" as punk rock, but if you listen to it, Bill didn't really come close to that either, but managed to add something else to the music -- that we're not complaining about.
So, let the dead dogs lie dead, unless you want to do the digging ... this is a fun discussion and we do not need to add more wood to a fire that has long since died out!
Edited by moshkito - July 26 2010 at 21:14
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Posted: July 27 2010 at 07:33 |
moshkito wrote:
thehallway wrote:
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And Bruford was left-brained......creating an imbalance: which is why he left the band! |
Nothing against Bill and he is nice ... but I am not sure that TFTO would be better with Bill ... I really think it needed a harder rock edge that Bill could not produce at the time. On the other hand, I really thought that Relayer could have used a Bill a lot better than Alan ... but that's just my ear!
I find it sad that we left our "preferences" get in the way of accepting artistic preferences and differences. YES did just fine without Bill and Bill did just as fine without YES, and the whole discussion is rather bizarre, insane and not necessary.
I do remember one comment by Robert Fripp that he really wanted to do one of the pieces in "Red" as punk rock, but if you listen to it, Bill didn't really come close to that either, but managed to add something else to the music -- that we're not complaining about.
So, let the dead dogs lie dead, unless you want to do the digging ... this is a fun discussion and we do not need to add more wood to a fire that has long since died out! |
I was only making a pun...
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Posted: July 27 2010 at 16:37 |
"I think punk rock came about because people were tired of their
brains being taxed by all these complex time signatures and 20 minute
epics."
I think punk rock came about because people were TOLD BY CRITICS THAT THEY WERE tired of their
brains being taxed by all these complex time signatures and 20 minute
epics.
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