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Posted: July 25 2010 at 19:14
There are a lot of women who are/were essential in their bands, everyone of us have our personal favorites. From the list I would vote for Ana Sofi Dahlberg, but there are a lot, really a lot.
I would like to mention the girls of Ars Nova, I think nobody has mentioned them so far, and believe me that they have made an extraordinary job.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 02:33
I don't expect people to mention my favourites, and appreciate an
"other" option in polls, but the question is very open-ended and
subjective "Which woman in PA is the most remarkable, influential or
likeable?" and it seems to me that you came across as aggressive/
dismissive when talking about other people's choices. A lot of people
went for likable, as in they like them most. I respect your right to
list who you want, please respect that others will have different
ideas. Perhaps we can all share who we find likable, remarkable, or
think influential, and not criticise each-other.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 03:46
Angela Goldthorpe / Mostly Autumn
More than Heather Findlay, her work with flute, keyboard and background vocals was essential to Mostly Autumn. The last MA album sounds very "flat" after her leaving.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 04:44
horsewithteeth11 wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Chloe Alper from Pure Reason Revolution and Rachel Cohen from The Reasoning each deserve a mention.
PRR second album dissapointed me very much. It´s Pop (maybe Prog Pop?). That´s a reason. The Reasoning is Crossover, therefore it haven´t included here. (And I didn´t know Rachel before, I´m not a weisenheim...)
Several comments on this thread from me.
First off, it's nice to know that you're the expert on influential/important female vocalists on this site and most other people are not. It's all subjective anyway, so calm down a bit. It's just a matter of opinion.
Secondly, you say you don't like Krause's voice because it's too dissonant. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but just because an instrument (or in this case a voice) is dissonant and lacks melody doesn't mean it's inferior by any means. Some of my favorite bands (Meshuggah for example) are incredibly dissonant or have a completely different take on traditional definitions of "melody" and "rhythm" in rock music.
As for Chloe Alper, while she isn't one of my favorite female vocalists, I find it very hard to refer to Amor Vincit Omnia as merely pop music. While definitely not as much in the vein of "traditional prog" as The Dark Third is, I hear influences from many influential electronic groups, such as New Order, Depeche Mode, and Kraftwerk (who I believe are on this site under Progressive Electronic ). So it's certainly "progressive", but ultimately probably not "prog".
As for my vote, I'd go for Anneke van Giersbergen as well. She's one of the best overall rock vocalists I've ever heard. And while she has worked mostly in metal, she has the kind of voice that can cut through heavy music and still make it sound really beautiful. I can't think of another female vocalist that is any better at it than her.
Good post David, and for anyone who didn't get the message, long story told short is that Gandalff's comments were quite stupid and/or offensive, and have spoiled this discussion which promised to be very interesting.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 12:17
Gandalff wrote:
I feel it just like this:
Rock is a marginal genre of Pop music,
Prog Rock is a marginal genre of Rock,
RIO/Avant is a marginal genre of Prog Rock.
How can rock be a marginal genre of pop music, when Back in Black is behind THE Thriller in sales (and Beat It is really rock in pop clothes)? How can prog be a marginal genre when it gave rock Dark Side of the Moon? More recently, PT and DT cracked the charts? How can Avant be a marginal genre of prog rock when Frank Zappa comfortably outsold Bacamarte or Mostly Autumn, probably Curved Air too?
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 12:34
Vompatti wrote:
Rock is a marginal genre of music though.
In the sense that it will never get the critical acclaim and academic appreciation of jazz or classical, yes. In terms of commercial success or fan following, hardly.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 12:38
rogerthat wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Rock is a marginal genre of music though.
In the sense that it will never get the critical acclaim and academic appreciation of jazz or classical, yes. In terms of commercial success or fan following, hardly.
I bet Mozart has had more fans than The Rolling Stones.
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Posted: July 26 2010 at 13:03
Vompatti wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Rock is a marginal genre of music though.
In the sense that it will never get the critical acclaim and academic appreciation of jazz or classical, yes. In terms of commercial success or fan following, hardly.
I bet Mozart has had more fans than The Rolling Stones.
Wait, I didn't say rock is bigger than classical commercially, I said it is not a marginal genre. But Mozart anyway supports my argument. His music has been taught by music pedagogues and celebrated over centuries which has built up a huge following in music circles for him. Rolling Stones are far more recent historically. It will be impossible to judge because of changing cultural trends how Mozart would have fared in the 60s commercially. But what we do know is that pop and rock have dominated the public's tastes for the better part of the last 40 years or so.
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