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Points: 6795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 11:51
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

On the subject of rappers and theism, what is going on with gangster rappers who espouse violence, murder and crime, then thank Jesus in their sleeve notes?
*cough* 2Pac *cough*
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 12:12
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

On the subject of rappers and theism, what is going on with gangster rappers who espouse violence, murder and crime, then thank Jesus in their sleeve notes?
 
After I read this post, searched into older threads, and even when most people must believe I'm a fanatic Catholic, my first posts were precisely against religious Rock or Prog, this one is from August 11, 2005
 
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I don't like Christian, Jewish, Hindu or any religion  Prog', even when I'm a religious man.

Musicians must be devoted to their art, they can have personal beliefs or disbeliefs, but music is not the right way to make propaganda to any religion.

A member of this forum (Jester) sent me a DVD of band from Israel named Eggroll and I assume they are jewish but the vocalist Lior Seker (Who has a great voice similar to Ian Anderson's) sings a cover of Supper's Ready and despite his religious beliefs shows great emotion in the part that says:

There's an angel standing in the sun, and he's crying with a
loud voice,
"this is the supper of the mighty one",
Lord of lords,
King of kings,
Has returned to lead his children home,
To take them to the new jerusalem

I'm sure many christian rockers would refuse to sing something with such clear reference to other religion, but this guy doesn't refuse to sing a part with an obvious reference to Jesus, that's the way a professional artist should behave.

Lets remember the quote by Hank Hill about Christian Rock (King of the Hill) to his son Bobby: Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock n' roll worse.

BTW: If you can, get the Eggroll DVD is very good, they make a wonderful cover of Starless plus their own songs which are great.

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A couple years  later I posted one claiming that Neal Morse's album "Sola Scriptura" should have a label warning parents of religious  content,
 
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Yes, he's free to evngelize wherever he wants, he may do albums if he wants to but this albums should have content warning, for example I wouldn't like my kids to receive subliminal messages of a concept like Sola Scriptura that attempts against everything I believe in and which I'm entitled to teach them about.
 
There's a section for Religious music, Neal Morse albums should be there for those who want to be evagelized and to warn those who really don't want to, that's also part of freedom of speech, the right to know what you're exposing your kids to.
 
I read USA books that say that evolution is only a theory as valid as Creationism (I believe in both concepts but not in Intelligent Design), if Christians are allowed to place this in a BOOK,. the rest of the people should be warned that this albums present a partial vision of Religion from a Protestant perspective.
 
Don't believe I say that because this is not Catholic, by the contrary, I disagree with albums that contain Catholic propaganda also, I believe music must be free of ties, that using music to preach is to turn art in a tool to transmit subliminal messages to minors and people who don't want to listen them.
 
I believe real music as art must keep a safe distance from specific religions and political parties, a musician may speak about his political ideology, but when mentions a party it turns into a jingle, in the same way, talking aboout spirituality if you don't mention dogmas of specific religions is great, I'm a spiritual person, but nobody must be forced or induced to buy a sermon with a costume of Progressive Rock.
 
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a member accused me of being satanic LOL, he even mentioned that the post against Christian Prog was my 1,666 post LOL 
 
Paradoxes of Prog Archives
 
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BTW: I believe in this as I believed in 2005 and 2007


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Points: 1009 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:49
I remember that, we had a pretty lively exchange about the message and purpose in Sola, didn't we Ivan?   (Although It wasn't me who suggested Sataninsm)

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Wow, I spent almost a day in Macchu Picchu, return full of mystical energy and this turnd into a Rap thread? Wink
 


Maybe you had too much of those leaves they sell there in the heights? Tongue

Machu Picchu is too amazing. There amazing places in South America that sadly don't get the promotion in Europe and the US they deserve... 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 15:29
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

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a member accused me of being satanic LOL, he even mentioned that the post against Christian Prog was my 1,666 post LOL 
 


Who would have thought... with all the avatars I've had and NONE has ever accused me of such thing, yet IVAN of all people does? LOL
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 17:03
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

I remember that, we had a pretty lively exchange about the message and purpose in Sola, didn't we Ivan?   (Although It wasn't me who suggested Sataninsm)
 
No Trademark, you weren't, your opinions were more oriented about freedom of speech rather than on Fundamentalism.
 
The point is that some people believe that because we are religious, we can't have a strong position about religious issues that in our opinion are not correct.
 
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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 21:30

Can the passionate on both sides just agree to leave the rest of us alone?


Time always wins.
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Points: 6802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 22:23
No, I disagree with that... Stern Smile 
 
You will burn in hell... Evil Smile
 
 
*Sarcasm*
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 22:32
This thread is too fun to let it die...

No matter what I said at the beginning...
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 22:33
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This thread is too fun to let it die...

No matter what I said at the beginning...


"Let there be light."?
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 22:35
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Can the passionate on both sides just agree to leave the rest of us alone?

 
Can the rest of you just agree to leave us alone in the thread? LOL
 
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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2010 at 23:03
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Can the passionate on both sides just agree to leave the rest of us alone?

 
Can the rest of you just agree to leave us alone in the thread? LOL
 
Iván
 
 
I was going to offer my services as an impartial debate moderator but if that's the way you want it then fine LOL


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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2010 at 00:02
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Can the passionate on both sides just agree to leave the rest of us alone?

 
Can the rest of you just agree to leave us alone in the thread? LOL
 
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I was going to offer my services as an impartial debate moderator but if that's the way you want it then fine LOL
Hey, but haven't you noticed that the fun is in the fight Wink.
 
Reading how Mike looses patience is amazing LOL
 
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2010 at 01:52
^ When exactly did that happen? 
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2010 at 02:04
This thread is nice and all but..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNqer9N12U


oh..uh edit: Vulgarity and profanity in said link LOL


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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2010 at 11:11
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ When exactly did that happen? 
 
Mike, some posts ago you mentioned my inhabilityto understand a joke.
 
Seems we're not that different...And mine has two smileys. LOLLOLLOL
 
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^ That's not the smiley though that usually indicates irony.GeekWink
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In NZ, a 15 year old boy has just survived a 16 storey fall. Says one involved in the accident, "It's incredible that he survived. God must have been with him."
 
What does this mean exactly? That everybody who has died after falling 16 storeys (or less) was abandoned and rejected by god? And why is god dropping people he's watching over out of 16 storey buildings anyway? To my mind this is just thoughtless grasping at reassurance and order.
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

In NZ, a 15 year old boy has just survived a 16 storey fall. Says one involved in the accident, "It's incredible that he survived. God must have been with him."
 
What does this mean exactly? That everybody who has died after falling 16 storeys (or less) was abandoned and rejected by god? And why is god dropping people he's watching over out of 16 storey buildings anyway? To my mind this is just thoughtless grasping at reassurance and order.

Why are people trying to bring the topic back?Ouch
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Hi Folks...
 
About religion and more:
 
"We've taken care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.
It's one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers
Fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life
Are held within our walls"
 
Temples of Syrinx, 2112 albun, Rush
 
I think is better to think by myself,  I will choose Free Will

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