For my Libertarian friends

Kind of like what Penn said in that video?
How prohibition just made heroin cheaper and more potent?

Fair point. Like I said, prohibition is stupid as is jailing people for drugs.
And yeah, the drug thing is not a major point on my agenda either

Well nothing may be accomplished in here, but its more civil, rational, and fun then that thread could hope to be! 

I saw an interesting floater on teh interwebz....about the money that would be generated by gay marriages, (weddings are damn expensive). It could pump some money into the economy ,especially locally. Not that it's fix the problem, (drugs would do better ) but money is money right?

I am actually warming up to the idea of marriage privatization. As long as gay couples, regardless, have the right to get married I dont care if it takes federal law or taking marriage TOTALLY out of government, long as that right is not infringed. I kind of like that latter idea actually

Gay marriage and drugs! The immoral ways to help stimulate the economy! By JJ

JJLehto wrote: OR no one has warmed up to my idea of arming the poor?

Are the poor not armed now?

S**t and all this time I could have been buying my crack right from the source.

thellama73 wrote: Once I succeed in abolishing the department of education, the IRS, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obamacare, the post office, PBS, NPR, Agriculture subsidies, Amtrak subsidies, corporate welfare/handouts/bailouts, unemployment benefits, affirmative action and most (if not all) regulations on private business, then I will turn my attention to legalizing drugs. P.S. We are only one page behind the Atheism vs. Theism thread. I bet we can pass them if we all work together!

Sounds like a good time. Too bad people don't think like that anymore.

Been watching Penn & Teller BS on youtube for a while, (thanks Anton!)

May be crazy libertarian f*cks but those guys speak a lot of truth.
Their episodes on violent video games and illegal immigration were pure brilliance.
And I only wish I had the ability to troll on a scale that they do


Edited by JJLehto - July 24 2010 at 02:54

thellama73 wrote: Once I succeed in abolishing the department of education, the IRS, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obamacare, the post office, PBS, NPR, Agriculture subsidies, Amtrak subsidies, corporate welfare/handouts/bailouts, unemployment benefits, affirmative action and most (if not all) regulations on private business, then I will turn my attention to legalizing drugs. P.S. We are only one page behind the Atheism vs. Theism thread. I bet we can pass them if we all work together!

Some of the worst ideas ever.

We've already talked about unemployment insurance and why I think it's a bad idea for the government to be involved. Just look back a few pages. And yes, I might be a bad person, but in fact I'm not.

EDIT: I thought I'd elaborate a little bit more. I have worked several jobs for very low wages in which many of my coworkers were quite poor. In all cases, they squandered what little money they had on junk rather than trying to improve their station. When the record store where I worked went out of business, nearly all of my coworkers were actually excited about going on welfare. They were happy that they were going to be able to get money without having to work for it. I spoke to one of these people a year later, and she was living on her welfare check and had not even started looking for a job, nor was she planning to until the benefits ran out.

Now I know that my experience does not represent all people, and that there are many hard working folks who just need a hand. However, it is my sincerely held belief that the more the government tries to protect people from poverty, the more people will be lazy, complacent and have a sense of entitlement.

In the absence of government welfare, friends, neighbors and relatives would be forced to maintain strong ties with each other for mutual protection in case of hard luck. I think this would be good for society in general, and that we have become altogether too isolated from one another. Furthermore, such a system would refuse to support anyone it saw as freeloading. That's my position, and if you think it makes me a bad person, I can live with that.

Also, why has no one addressed the issue of privatized unemployment insurance that I brought up? Why couldn't it work the same as fire insurance or life insurance?


Edited by thellama73 - July 24 2010 at 07:39

thellama73 wrote: Also, why has no one addressed the issue of privatized unemployment insurance that I brought up? Why couldn't it work the same as fire insurance or life insurance?

Nice in theory, but people who are just scraping to get by don't have money to spare for insurance.  Even if you repealed mandated employer financed unemployment insurance there's no guarantee that the employees would see that money added to their wages anyway.

I'd like to add that the Libertarian first priority should be drug legalization that way everyone will be messed up enough to vote for them.


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 24 2010 at 08:40

JJLehto wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: One of my teachers in high school was a super libertarian, he printed out articles from Lew Rockwell and read them in class and everything (he wasn't a very good teacher). He got a DUI because he refused a breathalyzer and ended up living with another one of the teachers for 6 months so he could get a ride to school. It was pretty funny. I guess he learned his lesson because next time he just shut up and took his speeding ticket.  llama, you're never going to take away my NPR and PBS! And if you would seriously completely eliminate unemployment benefits if you were king you might be a bad person. :/ Not said be Me or T! I know you are really libertarian llama but I did think your post was a bit of a joke. Most people I know are willing to grant at least "the safety net" I mean NO unemployment benefits at all? Whatsoever?