For my Libertarian friends

Slartibartfast wrote: manofmystery wrote:   You need to learn to take personal feelings out of your politics. Interesting, do you believe that's actually possible?

Ah beat me to it, I was about to ask what exactly you meant by that, and if that could be done?



Edited by JJLehto - July 21 2010 at 16:16

The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Padraic wrote: The T wrote: You really think charities solve anything (besides making selfish people feel right about themselves of course)?  Do you believe charities are worthless and none of them make any difference at all? No I don't but I also believe they don't solve anything. They're good and most of them probably sincere and they aren't enough to alleviate any big problems.   Tell that to the impoverished kid who gets a hot meal and some shoes. Go tell the unemployed mother of three who looks for a job every single damned day but who can't get one and whose unemployed benefits were about to be cut to go work and stop being lazy and dependent on government help...

I don't know if anyone believes charity is bad thing...of course it's good. And no one can deny it does help people, of course it does. But T is right, it does not alleviate THE problem. If so.....there'd be no need for government! It'd be great if charity alone could fix all the ills but that is not possible.

And fine, there are bums. I'm also certain no one can deny there are people that sit around, milking the system. Talk about lazy! I am a lazy b*****d but even I would rather earn more $ through working than less by staying poor. But, this is not the case with all.

I'd venture many people are stuck in the cycle, and many others do deserve what they are receiving. Sorry to make it personal again, but  if someone on TV says "unemployment needs to be cut, those people are lazy" and "there are tons of entry level jobs" I'd like to see them justify it to my father. I wouldn't call a 33 year employee at one company lazy, and entry level is awesome for people like me...but I don't have to support a family in expensive suburban NJ.
I can only speak personally, but we know this is not the only case, there are thousands and thousands.
And yeah, I'd like to see some of the talking heads/elected leaders leave their job and try to find a "regular" one

Well, luckilly for us then it hasn't yet fixed the problem!

And in all reality, I'm starting to moderate my views a bit. Not really for ideological things but practicality.
Bah, no time. I need to work on some stuff, but I will be back later and it's not too cohesive or thought out yet but I have some ideas rolling around, and you guys may not even fin them that disgusting!


Edited by JJLehto - July 21 2010 at 16:45

stonebeard wrote: Epignosis wrote: The government cannot ever be a charity- only a thief. Never mind when people consent to paying taxes and whatnot, the government with still steal them!

lolwut

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 22 2010 at 07:28

Is it just me, or does this article make no sense whatsoever?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-Reasons-To-Fear-usnews-2745725653.html?x=0

Epignosis wrote: Is it just me, or does this article make no sense whatsoever? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-Reasons-To-Fear-usnews-2745725653.html?x=0

Most people who complain about deflation don't make any sense.

My favorite one:

Reason to Fear Inflation - The mere fear of it can cause deflation.

A little circular there.

thellama73 wrote:   The problem with a system like unemployment benefits is that it doesn't sort out the good workers down on their luck from the lazy ones who want a handout.

Let me explain something to you.  Unemployment benefits are from unemployment insurance which means that even though the money paid into the fund doesn't come directly out of your paycheck, your employer could have theoretically been paying you more if they didn't have to pay into the fund.  I guess we should just pay money into insurance for nothing and when we need to make a claim, that's a handout???

I should also point out that the pittance payed to the unemployed that qualified actually gets spent and thereby helps out the economy.  Not to mention the extension is a drop in the bucket compared to other things our government throws money at.

Take the libertarian blinders off and have yourself a cup of reality, dude, really.

Also (well said Slarti, I agree with that), another question: what is this theft I read constantly about in your posts??

The T wrote: Also (well said Slarti, I agree with that), another question: what is this theft I read constantly about in your posts??

Taxes