For my Libertarian friends

JJLehto wrote: And Rob that would be a mighty uncomfortable pillow

Well, now, that all depends on if you emptied the cans yourself or not.

JJLehto wrote: *joins the tea party*

Just don't write any letters to Abe Lincoln...

JJLehto wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: JJLehto wrote: Sadly, I dont have it in front of me from data I've seen I thought things slowly, but steadily got better under FDR, until the late 30's when a backslide occurred. I will admit, FDR's refusal to lower tariffs (that Hoover put in place) probably did contribute to it. That being said, over regulation caused the Great Depression? I do not see how that was the case. A backslide? The 1937 recrash was as bad as 1929. It's the only time in our history we've had two crashes following right after each other. There's not enough time to go into all of FDR's policies which prolonged the depression. Without his policies we could have recovered from the crash in a little over two years, instead we suffered through chronic unemployment into the 40s. Well I already said the Smoot-Hawley Act made the depression worse/prolonged it. Of course I do need to explain this to you, but as tariffs are raised all others react (or retaliate) likewise. The breakdown of trade was a huge factor in the depression. Thanks to Hoover and FDR. But as I did also say, the economy did recover starting in 1933, which is when it hit its low point. It continued to improve until 1937 when FDR's policies started to be scaled back. These are not made up. Am I wrong? Didn't the economy improve under FDR? His policies were rolled back in 1937, including cutting spending, (deficit spending) and another recession hits. Again, is this coincidence? Japan was not hit as hard as other places, and they early on adopted was Keyensian policies. Now obviously they had a smaller economy, so... Given all that, maybe FDR's policies were not enough or they were implemented too late

Would prog be bad if it infringed upon the rights and civil liberties of citizens??

You have no idea how sick that comic makes me. 

Epignosis wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: You have no idea how sick that comic makes me.  I think he might.

Then I reacted much as he wanted

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: You have no idea how sick that comic makes me.  I think he might.  Then I reacted much as he wanted

I do hate that woodchuck, though he is so adorable!

If I really wanted to troll I wish I could find this one picture I saw once.
More or less said: In the military?
You are a Welfare Queen!

And goes on about all the stuff/benefits they get paid for by the taxpayers.

Of course a joke...but does make me think. Republicans wont shut the f*ck up about all this $ but if someone was to even mention cuts in the defense budget! *gasp* I must be a terrorist.

Maybe ending these 2 wars, pulling out troops form other places, closing some of these bases would skim some cash.

JJLehto wrote: I do hate that woodchuck, though he is so adorable! If I really wanted to troll I wish I could find this one picture I saw once. More or less said: In the military? You are a Welfare Queen! And goes on about all the stuff/benefits they get paid for by the taxpayers. Of course a joke...but does make me think. Republicans wont shut the f*ck up about all this $ but if someone was to even mention cuts in the defense budget! *gasp* I must be a terrorist. Maybe ending these 2 wars, pulling out troops form other places, closing some of these bases would skim some cash.

I think it's time the wars in the middle east came to an end. Contrary to popular belief, I object to overspending in any area of government and am extremely against bailouts. A certain level of military might must be preserved, so I wouldn't cut the defense budget by too much, but I do not want endless wars and endless occupation.

thellama73 wrote: I think it's time the wars in the middle east came to an end. Contrary to popular belief, I object to overspending in any area of government and am extremely against bailouts. A certain level of military might must be preserved, so I wouldn't cut the defense budget by too much, but I do not want endless wars and endless occupation.

Oh yeah, even a flaming liberal like myself grants there needs to be a military.
At the very least we need a standing military, and keep some overseas is not unreasonable.

But yeah, besides Iraq and Afghanistan, (which obviously are draining tons of money) I'm thinking the world would survive if were too remove our troops/bases from Europe, Cuba, Australia, places like those.
One thing I will give libertarians, I'd like to see a conservative say "cut the defense budget" and not be kicked out of the part or burst into flames.

Neo conservatives are what make me sick personally though that damn woodchuck is not far behind!


Edited by JJLehto - July 20 2010 at 13:04