French approve ban on burqas...

Oh and Hugues, can we stop mentioning psychoanalysis as if it is a science. It isnt.  It's snake oil, or as someone much more intelligent than me once said, it is the "most stupendous intellectual confidence trick of the twentieth century".

Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: npjnpj wrote: But don't you realise that in spite of being camouflaged by politics, ethics, philosophies, great (and not so great) authors, at the bottom of it all everyone is being taken for one big ride? It is my firm belief that after the fall of the Eastern Block some new enemy had to be created by any means possible, and the Muslims just got handed the ticket. Could have been anyone else: The southern half of the globe, the Eskimos, or the Austarlians. In this case the Muslims were just the unlucky ones. Hence this burqa ban. Just try and see through the smokescreen. Religions are ideal targets, IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA! THE WAR MASCHINE MUST GO ON! That's what Jean and I already pointed out. This is not about the burqa at all. It is playing on islamophobia. Sarcozy is a populist. His whole record shows he has never been one for civil liberties, and now he suddenly wants to liberate the poor Islamic women? Nonsense. He is just distracting from the other problems he has. Hear! Hear! 100% correct. The burqa may or may not be a symbol of oppression but a free person, in this case a woman, should not be told by the State what they can and cannot wear. It's a canard of the highest order and Sarcozy should be ashamed of himself.

CinemaZebra wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: npjnpj wrote: But don't you realise that in spite of being camouflaged by politics, ethics, philosophies, great (and not so great) authors, at the bottom of it all everyone is being taken for one big ride? It is my firm belief that after the fall of the Eastern Block some new enemy had to be created by any means possible, and the Muslims just got handed the ticket. Could have been anyone else: The southern half of the globe, the Eskimos, or the Austarlians. In this case the Muslims were just the unlucky ones. Hence this burqa ban. Just try and see through the smokescreen. Religions are ideal targets, IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA! THE WAR MASCHINE MUST GO ON! That's what Jean and I already pointed out. This is not about the burqa at all. It is playing on islamophobia. Sarcozy is a populist. His whole record shows he has never been one for civil liberties, and now he suddenly wants to liberate the poor Islamic women? Nonsense. He is just distracting from the other problems he has. Hear! Hear! 100% correct. The burqa may or may not be a symbol of oppression but a free person, in this case a woman, should not be told by the State what they can and cannot wear. It's a canard of the highest order and Sarcozy should be ashamed of himself. Anti social behaviour isn't allowed...The Burka is anti social!!!! Snow Dog supports that ban on the bloody rotten burka! If you're not being sarcastic, wtf. You're on a prog forum. This is probably the most (intelligent, sure) anti-social places you can go on the internet. And the burka is not anti-social. It's a choice. Who is to decide what is anti-social and what is normal in the first place? Not you, that's for sure.

Edited by Snow Dog - July 19 2010 at 11:51

Snow Dog wrote: CinemaZebra wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: npjnpj wrote: But don't you realise that in spite of being camouflaged by politics, ethics, philosophies, great (and not so great) authors, at the bottom of it all everyone is being taken for one big ride? It is my firm belief that after the fall of the Eastern Block some new enemy had to be created by any means possible, and the Muslims just got handed the ticket. Could have been anyone else: The southern half of the globe, the Eskimos, or the Austarlians. In this case the Muslims were just the unlucky ones. Hence this burqa ban. Just try and see through the smokescreen. Religions are ideal targets, IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA! THE WAR MASCHINE MUST GO ON! That's what Jean and I already pointed out. This is not about the burqa at all. It is playing on islamophobia. Sarcozy is a populist. His whole record shows he has never been one for civil liberties, and now he suddenly wants to liberate the poor Islamic women? Nonsense. He is just distracting from the other problems he has. Hear! Hear! 100% correct. The burqa may or may not be a symbol of oppression but a free person, in this case a woman, should not be told by the State what they can and cannot wear. It's a canard of the highest order and Sarcozy should be ashamed of himself. Anti social behaviour isn't allowed...The Burka is anti social!!!! Snow Dog supports that ban on the bloody rotten burka! If you're not being sarcastic, wtf. You're on a prog forum. This is probably the most (intelligent, sure) anti-social places you can go on the internet. And the burka is not anti-social. It's a choice. Who is to decide what is anti-social and what is normal in the first place? Not you, that's for sure. But if you are being sarcastic, . I'm serious. You can stop laughing. And I can decide.

Oh, alright then. Not to sound like a kindergarten teacher (kind of), but how would you like it if the government outlawed whatever you wear in everyday life? And what you wear identifies what you believe in? That freedom would be taken away from you without sympathy. I don't know about you, but I would hate that. I'll also add that this ban could be sign of more freedoms taken away, which, if things get too serious, could result in a VERY big problem. That's how wars start, with these small steps away from freedom of the people.

I had an interesting thought.  Don't ban the burqa but patrol the streets with bomb-sniffing dogs.  I'm sure that would go over rather well...

Also I might add that there are limits to religious tolerance, female "circumcision" for instance...


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 19 2010 at 12:23

and yet you said this forum is one of the most anti social places on the internet you can go, by what authority do you say so

I don't find the burqua inherently anti-social.  Halloween masks and costumes aren't.  It's a cultural thing.  I still have little respect for cultures that treat their women as second class citizens.  Let's take the burqua out of it.  Saudia Arabian women are generally required to wear black (hot, hot, hot) while the men are allowed to wear white (cool, cool, cool).  That's just not fair!!!   Are you not men???  Show us how tough you are and reverse that standard.


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 19 2010 at 12:36

thellama73 wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Sooo as the leader of the US, you as US citizen  let Dubya Bush dominate you. I'm talking about leadership as a personality trait, not the authority that comes with a job. But if I were in a social situation with Bush, I expect he would be somewhat dominant, yes.

Individual freedom is an American thing, that's why we broke from the old world and its terrors.