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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:20
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Well, too late tonight Rob, but this weekend.....the elixir of the Gods will flowBig smile


So shall the wrath of my wife if I stare at your signature a moment longer! 

LOL If you want I could stare a little while for you.



Piss off, it's still my turn!  Angry

Do I get partial credit for at least trying?


*shrugs shoulders*

Are partial erections possible?  Ermm

There has to be an in between phase... Stern Smile

I think the fact that my chemistry teacher once tore a phone book in half kept my class in check, besides the trolls. Ermm It also helped that he was a bit of a pyromaniac. LOL

Weird first post on a page. Confused LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:21
I taught at a school that only handled young people who had been kicked out of public school.

It was the best job I ever had.  How I do miss it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:24
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Honestly, I'm not the best student. I'm loud, I tend to swear quite a bit, I lots of times don't pay attention, and I'm all around a student teachers hate. But even when I don't pay attention, I still manage to get 80s-90s on my tests and large assignments because I'm all around really smart. I'm also the partying type (although lots of times I like to insult the music people play at said parties Wink).

This makes me think... I've never been suspended in my life. LOL I wonder why.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:26
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

New York gives credit for wrong answers.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/how_do_you_pass_ny_school_tests_tCqFKo40FhcwkO5SoPYWRI

Instead of pushing our youth to success, we broaden the definition of success.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:28
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3. Zero tolerance for bullsh*t in high school.  I mean this.  You go to school and dick around?  You are wasting taxpayers' money.  You are robbing other students of a valuable eduction.  You are not cute.  No detention, no suspensions, no writing sentences 100 times.  You get two warnings, and after that, you are out.  See you at McDonald's.


LOLYou'd hate having me as your student. WinkEvil     Smile


You don't know my history as a teacher, do you?  Big     smile

I'll give you a hint.

I wrestled in high school.

The techniques I learned then helped me deal with situations that may or may not have come to pass in the school where I taught.  Big     smile





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I took a few bruises, but my students didn't mess with me.

The only one who really tried didn't make it past my podium.  Mr. Nelson got him first.  Lucky him, I say.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:33
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

New York gives credit for wrong answers.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/how_do_you_pass_ny_school_tests_tCqFKo40FhcwkO5SoPYWRI

Instead of pushing our youth to success, we broaden the definition of success.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:34
Epi, I did not read through the entire thread, but I noted a number of your original '8 theses' Wink.
 
My son was a complete slacker in high school, as in doing just enough to get by.  I went to parent night.  His Chemistry teacher was aghast.  "Do you know what your son said to me?"  (I'm thinking, please don't let the answer be "I want to tittie f**k you.")  I sez, "No."  She sez, "He asked me what does it take to get a C in this class."
 
That's my boy.  No aspirations in high school.   But he was no idiot.  He now has a Master's degree in Education from a very well-respected program, and would be teaching except 'round these parts they are laying off teachers, not hiring them.  His student teaching was impeccable, connecting with the kids.  He'd come home (he was doing the student teaching here) and complain about the slackers.  "They just don't care.  I don't get it"  I sez, "It's just payback, dude.  Ya reapin' what you sowed." 
 
I think he'll do well.  He does connect with the unmotivated kids, because he's been there, done that.
 
As an aside, I think for one of his high school history classes he skirted the final exam by making a CD mix of many of my Zappa albums for one of his teachers.  Good enough.  Happy student, happy teacher, and in the long run no harm done! 
 


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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:35
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:


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3. Zero tolerance for bullsh*t in high school.  I mean this.  You go to school and dick around?  You are wasting taxpayers' money.  You are robbing other students of a valuable eduction.  You are not cute.  No detention, no suspensions, no writing sentences 100 times.  You get two warnings, and after that, you are out.  See you at McDonald's.


LOLYou'd hate having me as your student. WinkEvil     Smile


You don't know my history as a teacher, do you?  Big     smile

I'll give you a hint.

I wrestled in high school.

The techniques I learned then helped me deal with situations that may or may not have come to pass in the school where I taught.  Big     smile





LOLLOL



I took a few bruises, but my students didn't mess with me.

The only one who really tried didn't make it past my podium.  Mr. Nelson got him first.  Lucky him, I say.


Yeah, you could probably make me behave in that case. LOLWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:39
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Epi, I did not read through the entire thread, but I noted a number of your original '8 theses' Wink.
 
My son was a complete slacker in high school, as in doing just enough to get by.  I went to parent night.  His Chemistry teacher was aghast.  "Do you know what your son said to me?"  (I'm thinking, please don't let the answer be "I want to tittie f**k you."  I sez, "No."  She sez, "He asked me what does it take to get a C in this class."
 
That's my boy.  No aspirations in high school.   But he was no idiot.  He now has a Master's degree in Education from a very well-respected program, and would be teaching except 'round these parts they are laying off teachers, not hiring them.  His student teaching was impeccable, connecting with the kids.  He'd come home (he was doing the student teaching here) and complain about the slackers.  "They just don't care.  I don't get it"  I sez, "It's just payback, dude.  Ya reapin' what you sowed." 
 
I think he'll do well.  He does connect with the unmotivated kids, because he's been there, done that.
 
As an aside, I think for one of his high school history classes he skirted the final exam by making a CD mix of many of my Zappa albums for one of his teachers.  Good enough.  Happy student, happy teacher, and in the long run no harm done! 
 


Hmph.

Sounds like someone I used to know.  *whistles*

That's why I propose a shorter time in high school.  Your son was a slacker in high school because he was probably too good for what they had to offer.

Some of my students were slackers because they were amazing at things public school didn't prepare them for (like fixing cars, construction, or serving in the cost guard).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:50
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:


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3. Zero tolerance for bullsh*t in high school.  I mean this.  You go to school and dick around?  You are wasting taxpayers' money.  You are robbing other students of a valuable eduction.  You are not cute.  No detention, no suspensions, no writing sentences 100 times.  You get two warnings, and after that, you are out.  See you at McDonald's.


LOLYou'd hate having me as your student. WinkEvil     Smile


You don't know my history as a teacher, do you?  Big     smile

I'll give you a hint.

I wrestled in high school.

The techniques I learned then helped me deal with situations that may or may not have come to pass in the school where I taught.  Big     smile





LOLLOL



I took a few bruises, but my students didn't mess with me.

The only one who really tried didn't make it past my podium.  Mr. Nelson got him first.  Lucky him, I say.


Yeah, you could probably make me behave in that case. LOLWink


The thing was man...most of the students in my class liked my class.  Trust me- teachers can get bored just as much as students.  We want to keep it interesting. 

Here are some things I did:

1. Jeopardy every Friday.  We had our test, and after everyone was done, it was game show time with LIVE BUZZERS.  Winners got full size candy bars.  Fridays rocked.

2. Open book tests.  Yep.  Every one of them.  No excuses.  The book is there.  You didn't read it because you weren't here that day?  Get to reading now.  I'll wait.

3. I dressed up as James f**king Joyce.  No kidding.  I wore the cap, eye-patch, beard, cane, and suit all day long and spoke in an Irish accent.  My students had no idea what to think.  Neither did my co-workers, because I acted the part in the breakroom too. 

4. Study rock and rap lyrics.  The kids loved this.  Who says poetry was only written by dead white guys?  Pink Floyd, Rush, Seven Nations, T-Pain, Tupac and so on.

5. Biggest thing- I wasn't out to get them, and made this clear.  They just needed to put forth effort.  They needed to learn they could succeed in something other than selling drugs or surviving in a gang (1/3 of my students were active members in gangs).  I recall one student went to jail for months on a sexual assault charge.  He came back to me asking for me to tell him about Jesus.  He said he was tired of that life and wanted to be a preacher.  That's when I say "f**k the separation of church and state," here's a kid who wants to move away from terribleness.  I won't deny him that. 
And he didn't even know I was a Christian, because I never told my students that!  I sure hope Johnny is doing all right. 

God I miss them.  Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:51
I used to get awful grades in high school, but at every conference my teachers would go on about how smart I was. And then I started going to the tech center for half the day for the programming program and I had a solid A for the entire time I was there. In fact I spent the last month I went there goofing off. LOL
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What classes did you teach? What grades? What kind of institution? Do you still teach? 

I wasn't aware you were a teacher. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:57

Ahh Jeopardy games. Rare do we do those. I usually win or come close to winning, too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 21:59
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

What classes did you teach? What grades? What kind of institution? Do you still teach? 

I wasn't aware you were a teacher. 


I taught English for two years in a charter school for those who had been kicked out of public school here in Central Florida.  I taught High School boys (9-12 grade).  Their choice was essentially to graduate from our program or go to jail.

I do not teach anymore because in 2008, the school was up for contract renewal, and it didn't happen.  This was due to major budget cuts across the state.

Ironically, and unfortunately, other programs similar (and inferior) to ours are still open.  I know because I applied and worked for two of them.  They are absolutely horrendous.  Zero discipline.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:00
I used to get annoyed with open book tests, I prefer to plow through the test and be done with it. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:01
Pat, you are in Philadelphia.

Perhaps you know of CEP (Community Education Partners).  That is for whom I worked.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:02
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I used to get annoyed with open book tests, I prefer to plow through the test and be done with it. LOL


The book was always an option.  If you didn't want / need it, then go for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:04
I don't want to get into a whole big thing here, but I teach music and I was homeschooled my entire life until college. It seems to have worked for me. I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up some misconceptions about homeschooling. We did not have a designated class time. My parents did not teach me. I was never forced to study any subject. If I expressed an interest in something, my parents would get me a book and say "let me know if you need help or have any questions." When SAT time rolled around, they said "You need to do the following things if you want to go to college. Your call." So I did and scored quite well. Straight A's in a top ranked school..

I sincerely believe that children are built to learn and that if you don't stifle them by cramming education down their throats before they're ready (pre-school? Really?) they will do just fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2010 at 22:04
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

What classes did you teach? What grades? What kind of institution? Do you still teach? 

I wasn't aware you were a teacher. 


I taught English for two years in a charter school for those who had been kicked out of public school here in Central Florida.  I taught High School boys (9-12 grade).  Their choice was essentially to graduate from our program or go to jail.

I do not teach anymore because in 2008, the school was up for contract renewal, and it didn't happen.  This was due to major budget cuts across the state.

Ironically, and unfortunately, other programs similar (and inferior) to ours are still open.  I know because I applied and worked for two of them.  They are absolutely horrendous.  Zero discipline.

Cool stuff man.

I enjoyed a brief stint teaching although I hated it. 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Pat, you are in Philadelphia.

Perhaps you know of CEP (Community Education Partners).  That is for whom I worked.

I was actually recruited by them. They're a good program from what I understand. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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