French approve ban on burqas...

Padraic wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: @Pat: Same here; if you don't see the difference between wearing any garment and wearing a burqa, then it means that you don't want to make a difference between them - but the difference exists and you're ignoring it in the name of your principles. Boy Alex.  Looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree.  That ocean seems like it's a big divide.

Not necessarily, see, we're debating this rationally on a public forum, while in Saudi Arabia we'd both be sent to rot in jail for our lack of belief in whatever they nominate as Muslim values

harmonium.ro wrote: Padraic wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: @Pat: Same here; if you don't see the difference between wearing any garment and wearing a burqa, then it means that you don't want to make a difference between them - but the difference exists and you're ignoring it in the name of your principles. Boy Alex.  Looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree.  That ocean seems like it's a big divide. Not necessarily, see, we're debating this rationally on a public forum, while in Saudi Arabia we'd both be sent to rot in jail for our lack of belief in whatever they nominate as Muslim values

Reading up on this, to be fair, it looks like they will pass a "partial" ban which would allow women to wear it on the street, but not in hospitals, schools, or when trying to receive public services.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: Vibrationbaby wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: What he said. HA HA HA. Walking around looking like Darth Vader Who is this guy? His name is Pat Condell, and if you look for him on YouTube you'll find some more drastic stuff. Suffice it to say that if you're religious and easily offended, steer clear. BTW: As an American you might want to watch his video on the planned mega mosque near Ground Zero.

I'm Canadian, It's impossible to offend me, and I am NOT religious. This guy is right up my alley man. Bring on the drastic stuff.. 

I'll bet the admins are watching this thread like hawks.


Edited by Vibrationbaby - July 14 2010 at 14:55

I've changed my mind, I think the clothes of Muslim women suit them just fine and are an expression of their liberty to wear anything they want.

Just look.





From here.

The T wrote: thellama73 wrote: Snow Dog wrote: thellama73 wrote: I find the idea of a government telling its citizens what they can and cannot wear utterly abhorrent. Yet another reason to dislike France. For me its a reason to like France. Go figure. Don't get me wrong. I am no friend of Islam. But what people choose to wear is their own business, not some bureaucrat's.  When said choice is not really one, when is not really free, when there's no "liberty" (to use the right word) for one half of the population, I applaud the bureaucrat's action.  Many islamic women probably choose to wear that sh*t out of religious pride, maybe. But what about the other big (probably higher) percentage of islamic women who are forced to hide only because men said it so? Where's the liberty? This makes it equal for all of them. You can't wear it whether you want it or not. Problem solved.  Who is to say if the very religious choice was any free? Did these women freely choose to be muslim? Let's go one step forward in all-around liberty then... people should have a choicer over what religion they follow... For many of these women born in muslim countries (not in France) did that choice ever exist??  Just another reason to admire France.

Exactly, who is to say that? And who is to say the opposite? Have they asked  Islamic women how they want to be dressed? I think this law of France is absolutely abhorrent, and Jean and I took part in a demonstration for freedom in which we dressed as Islamic women, veiled head to toe and carrying signs saying "Take your hands off my burka". No, the decision of a person how he or she wants to dress must remain his or her own, and no state has to interfere there.
It is in this context fairly significant that of all German parties the Green party, the party which DEFINITELY is the party that takes care of equal rights for women the most (no other party has such a high percentage of women at the top, for example) protested against this law the most.

aginor wrote: Chris S wrote: Sorry but Burqas need to be banned, hopefully other nations will follow suit. Looking at Dubai and commercialism hitting the muslim areas be it westernized or M.East areas, it is time to get WISE for that religion and move with the times. If one suicide bomber is disguised then the method needs to be removed. Wear the burqa as much as they want at their home or in their place of worship. Good one France   I agree i could not said it better, I don't opous islamic kulture but i'm think enlightment is lacking in that religion, i don't hope what we say here will cause any fatwa thou

Here: http://www.lcpan.fr/Player-video-mp4:docs-ad-hoc/3548_LCP_2010-06-06_19h01min50s_44280.mp4.html

CPicard wrote: Too bad there are so few French-speaking persons on this forum to make subtitles for this video : http://<iframe marginwidth="0" width="434" height="288" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" src="www.lcpan.fr/Player-video-mp4:docs-ad-hoC/3548_LCP_2010-06-06_19h01min50s_44280.mp4.html"></iframe> Warning: French muslim women speaking! Movie shot by a French-Iranian director! OMG! The people concerned are talking!

The link does not work this way.

What about a nun's habit, by the way?