Theism vs. Atheism ... will it ever be settled?

Wasn't the boat supposed to be 300 cubits? If so, thats even less possible. Oh well, I'm just gonna not try to start any big arguments here even though I am quite the large atheist.

jampa17 wrote: DT-PT wrote: Wasn't the boat supposed to be 300 cubits? If so, thats even less possible. Oh well, I'm just gonna not try to start any big arguments here even though I am quite the large atheist.   There's plenty of information about the size of the Boat and everything and most of the studies said that is was very possible to build the vote. Even the flood, there's a lot of studies that agree that the flood could happen in the area, half Europe and the Middle East is likely to be flooded somewhere in time. I do believe I saw it on Discovery Channel...

DT-PT wrote: jampa17 wrote: DT-PT wrote: Wasn't the boat supposed to be 300 cubits? If so, thats even less possible. Oh well, I'm just gonna not try to start any big arguments here even though I am quite the large atheist.   There's plenty of information about the size of the Boat and everything and most of the studies said that is was very possible to build the vote. Even the flood, there's a lot of studies that agree that the flood could happen in the area, half Europe and the Middle East is likely to be flooded somewhere in time. I do believe I saw it on Discovery Channel... I agree it was possible to build the boat. But fitting all those animals on it...

jampa17 wrote: JLocke wrote: jampa17 wrote: JLocke wrote: Atavachron wrote: JLocke wrote: jampa17, let me ask you something . . .  Do you really believe that a man was able to fit two of every species of land animal onto a boat? of course that wouldn't be possible, but it misses the point of the Noah story and doesn't do justice the probabilty that if floods did occur it's probable someone would load their animals (and as many others they could find) into a big ship.  I am not religious but It seems to me the Noah legend is one of the more credible stories to the extent that it is quite plausible, even likely. If one is going to question the Bible why not question the improbable things rather than the credible ones.  The dispute is whether God told Noah to do it, not whether someone, his family and livestock might build a big ship to survive a flood.   Ridiculous. None of the story makes sense, if you actually read it. It doesn't just say 'livestock, a guy and his family,' it says that God told Noah to build a boat, and fit two of every species of animal onto it. I think for someone like jampa17, who is a catholic, it is a very valid question to see if he really believes such a thing really happened. If the bible is indisputable, then he should have no problem answering me.    I'm not expert on the Old Testament books, especially the Noah story is not one of my focus when I studied the Bible, you should ask it for a Jewish, who are the one directly aluded in that Book.   Now, I believe that the Flood did occure, I don't believe that Noah put in all the animals in couples inside the boat, I think they gather up most of the animals they have in the surroundings, those who most likely would die in flood. Yes, I believe that. But that's not the point, the main question is "Do God really told them to do that?" I think the answer is YES, he did it. But of course, you already told us that you have never "listen" to God and that's why you are Atheist now...   Of course, I could ask my brother, who has deeper knowledge of Old Testament what is the Catholic Church position about it... So, you're saying the bible is wrong about the details of the story, but it's still right when it says that God told Noah to do it. Now, you're just cherry-picking parts of the bible that can't be disproved, but discarding the parts that are socially accepted as absurd in modern times. If the bible is the infallible word of God, why would you even need to do that?   I knew you would pick that... I was sure that was your point... Rob has always said it before, it's not the infalible word of God, is the wisdom recovered from thousand of years saved by different interpreters about the big misteries of the faith. I could extend on it way more but I do not have time... Keep your crusade guys... if you want to bore everybody around...

Edited by JLocke - July 06 2010 at 21:10

JJLehto wrote: A lot of atheists are really just trolling For those not in the know...that face in the last panel is one of a guy who is trolling

UndercoverBoy wrote: ZOMG MATT MADE A POST! Hurry, crawl back into the shadows.

I try to avoid these debate/argument threads, but sometimes you gotta post, ya know?

DT-PT wrote: JJLehto wrote: A lot of atheists are really just trolling   I don't see anyone trolling here.

Maybe not here.
And of course there are people who really do believe in their atheism, but from my personal experiences while many may believe it, a lot of them seem more bent on trolling/grabbing attention. I really have heard people use "arguments" like those: Can you show him to me? and often they just desintegrate into "youre stupid! What are you 6?" yadda yadda

I gotta be honest, I've said in 900000000 times before: Its a personal matter. You can worship the sun, you worship Satan....I dont give a f*ck just keep it to yourself. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, the deer god, whatever. And while some people on both sides are open minded, most are not. And even those that are can only listen, no one is going to sway anyone an inch. So with that I bid you farewell.




Edited by JJLehto - July 06 2010 at 21:20

JJLehto wrote: DT-PT wrote: JJLehto wrote: A lot of atheists are really just trolling   I don't see anyone trolling here. Maybe not here. And of course there are people who really do believe in their atheism, but from my personal experiences while many may believe it, a lot of them seem more bent on trolling. I really have heard people use "arguments" like those: Can you show him to me? and often they just desintegrate into "youre stupid! What are you 6?" yadda yadda

Edited by JLocke - July 06 2010 at 21:22

JJLehto wrote: JLocke wrote: JJLehto wrote: DT-PT wrote: JJLehto wrote: A lot of atheists are really just trolling   I don't see anyone trolling here.  Maybe not here.  And of course there are people who really do believe in their atheism, but from my personal experiences while many may believe it, a lot of them seem more bent on trolling. I really have heard people use "arguments" like those: Can you show him to me? and often they just desintegrate into "youre stupid! What are you 6?" yadda yadda Erm . . . Atheism isn't a belief . . . it's a lack of one. Are we honestly all the way back to square one on that point? Fine. To me it is. You can't prove atheism, no matter how much they will fight you on it...you cant prove it. And even better, tell an atheist their belief is based on faith. Because it is. You can apply all the logic and rationale you want, atheism is a belief that is ultimately based on faith.  At least IMHO.  I mean you don't believe in God, that;s something. To have NO belief...i guess you have to be a rock, or braindead.

It doesn't matter what Atheism is to you. It's not a religion. Atheism isn't something that needs to be proven. Don't you understand that? Atheism is simply not believing in religion. We don't claim to know that there is no God, and so no faith is required. I don't claim anything; I just happen to trust facts over 2000-year-old myths. That doesn't mean there is no god in some form. So, to 'prove Atheism' as you say, it can be done quite easily. I can prove that I don't believe in God (which is all Atheism is) by simply saying it: I don't believe in God. 

There. I just 'proved' Atheism. 

This isn't tough stuff to understand. 

Edited by JLocke - July 06 2010 at 21:42