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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

This is getting interesting... Are going to see Uruguay in the final, against all odds? 

Looks like we shall not.
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^ That's exactly what I was going to post LOL
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Dream is over for Uruguay
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Again, a stolen victory... the second goal was a clear offside. There's no excuses, is fault of the referee! and another thing, how many fouls Van Bommel need to do to get a card. That player keep kicking all rivals through all this WC and now they are in the finals...!!! Germany should take this to real thing: Germany should crash this bad team of Holland...!!!
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Congratulations to both teams Clap

The Dutch are playing "Dutch" football only four or five times a match, but it makes the difference. I still miss the Dutch teams of the past, though. I hope the final will be great.
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No Jampa, it wasn't off side, two players in the line is not off side.
 
Now, that referee was drunk, he gave 3 minutes but allowed 5.
 
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Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan Wink

It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" LOL

The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan Wink

It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" LOL

The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight.
The striker of Paraguay didn't touched the ball in the game against Spain and they marked an offside. I thought you both knew the rules guys, if an striker crosses in the line of the goal even if he didn't touches the ball, is offside. Sorry guys, that is a clear offside and the reply show it quite well....
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HELL YEAH!

What a great match, Uruguay played very well that they surprised me. However, like Ivan, I think that those extra extra minutes were wrong.
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Yay! Congrats to both teams! It was a close one towards the end!
I completely agree about van Bommel. He should've been booked at least 6 or 7 times in the past two matches and he finally got one for what? Protesting? Hmpf! Better than nothing!
I also did not like Robben's performance. Happened in the game against Brazil as well. Why on earth does he have to show off with one or two extra dribblings instead of passing that darn ball? He knows he's going to lose it, yet insists with that. Thank heavens for that goal, but even that was basically placed on his head by Kuyt.
But hey, my first desired finalist is through. Waiting for a good match from the Germans tomorrow.
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I agree that Paraguay's disallowed goal was correct, Juan. Should have been 1-0 for them at that point.
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Again, a stolen victory... the second goal was a clear offside. There's no excuses, is fault of the referee! and another thing, how many fouls Van Bommel need to do to get a card. That player keep kicking all rivals through all this WC and now they are in the finals...!!! Germany should take this to real thing: Germany should crash this bad team of Holland...!!!
 
 
Not a clear offside,  Only one leg if anything.  I don't think the ref was wrong to give the goal. 
 
Agree about Van Bommel.  He had about 15 fouls in the game  and he finally got one at the end of the game. 
 
In the end Uraguay should have started to pressure the Dutch goal as soon as it was 3 1 not when they got to 3 2. 
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I wore my Netherlands t-shirt allthrough the school today Cool
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Germany should take this to real thing: Germany should crash this bad team of Holland...!!!


In order to do that Germany should crash Spain first.
Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan Wink

It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" LOL

The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight.
The striker of Paraguay didn't touched the ball in the game against Spain and they marked an offside. I thought you both knew the rules guys, if an striker crosses in the line of the goal even if he didn't touches the ball, is offside. Sorry guys, that is a clear offside and the reply show it quite well....


That's not correct, an offside position =/= offside offense. The referees whistle only offside offenses. If a guy is in offside position when his team scores, the goal is valid if he didn't take part in the phase.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan Wink

It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" LOL

The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight.
The striker of Paraguay didn't touched the ball in the game against Spain and they marked an offside. I thought you both knew the rules guys, if an striker crosses in the line of the goal even if he didn't touches the ball, is offside. Sorry guys, that is a clear offside and the reply show it quite well....


That's not correct, an offside position =/= offside offense. The referees whistle only offside offenses. If a guy is in offside position when his team scores, the goal is valid if he didn't take part in the phase.
Van Persie wanted to kick the ball, but he missed, that is a clear interferance... com'on Alex, I thought you always want the "better" team to win. Today it didn't. Holland is a very bad team and Van Bommel, dear Lord, how many fouls does he have in this WC, like 50 or something...?
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I think it was obvious that Holland was better (let's remember that Uruguay missed three key players, Suarez, Lugano and Fucile). And if Van Persie doesn't touch the ball, he's not influencing the phase (because "the phase" is a shot on goal).


From Wikipedia:

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by

Interfering with play
Playing or touching the ball
Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent
Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
Playing the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_%28association_football%29

From his offside position, Van Persie does not touch the ball, does not interfere with an opponent, and doesn't gain an advantage by being in offside because the ball doesn't rebound. It wasn't an "offside offense".

About Van Bommel, I didn't notice but I trust you guys.

I do want the better team to win, which is why I would have wanted Ghana instead. Wink But even if Ghana was a bit better than Uruguay, I don't think they would have done better than Uruguay against Holland.





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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan Wink

It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" LOL

The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight.
The striker of Paraguay didn't touched the ball in the game against Spain and they marked an offside. I thought you both knew the rules guys, if an striker crosses in the line of the goal even if he didn't touches the ball, is offside. Sorry guys, that is a clear offside and the reply show it quite well....


That's not correct, an offside position =/= offside offense. The referees whistle only offside offenses. If a guy is in offside position when his team scores, the goal is valid if he didn't take part in the phase.
We watched on a big screen at a sports bar....it was close on the replay, could have gone either way.....I think the announcers are just playing the referee sucks card too much now.......Although I agree they have sucked huge this whole tournament......But we can argue till the cows come home. It was judged a goal, no offside.
And I agree.....the officials have no clue on the stopage time....3 min to 5 min....why??
 
Good game, UY just began their push too late. Too bad....
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I don't know what game you saw Jampa.
 
Uruguay only played the last 5 minutes, the rest of the game Netherlads played when they wanted.
 
They stopped afte the first goal and were tied, but after that, Netherlands was much better when they wanted.
 
Yes Van Bommel kicked everything that moves, but Uruguayans were no saints, in the minute 22 Pereira got yellow card that could well had been red and that back kick in the face of Demi de Zeeuw should had been red card.
 
At the end the referee allowed 3 extra minutes and went until 50:30.
 
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I understand Juan, he's a great fan of Uruguay and sees everything from the fan's perspective. I would have preferred being a supporter at this World Cup too, instead of an "objective spectator", but my team didn't even qualify at this World Cup... CryLOL
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