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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 20:51
Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

Well i dont quite understand the t shirt thing but what ever. fist what i ment was that its starting to get more recognized in the general media and i never said it left i think these days people are starting to become more open minded well some people atleast. and 2nd i dont listen to anything on the charts is all pretty much the same crap regegitated over and over again with the same oh baby i love you and other really repulsive song topics so i mean i never listen to that crap
 
Most of these, other than the big ones, were not famous then either. They are more readily accepted today, but the problem is that many folks here will say Genesis is progressive, and they won't listen to Ange ... because one got popular and the other was French, and on top of you or I can not understand the language!
 
The music always was there. And it has been an issue for many years, to the point where my roomate nailed another DJ at the station when he interrupted Golden Earring to say very cleverly in his gold forsaken dick that "it wasn't rock'n'roll" ... to which my roomate and friend immediately said ... "who cares, it's great music" ... and this is the attitude and point that you have to take when it comes to "progressive" ... basically I do not listen to bands who profess to be "progressive", because most of them are so boring and copied that it gives the name a stentch!
 
The concern I have is this ... you are listening to things "filtered" in your head, because they might be "progressive" or someone said that they were. And in doing so, one is actually losing the individuality in finding out what your own inner experience is about the music ... you actually have no idea if it is progressive or not, but you now accept the fact that it is (or isn't) ... and in the end, you have just limited your listening experience.
 
After spending 50 years listening to music and then some (including classical music), the first thing that you KNOW is right, is that you learn to suspend the "judgement" for what music is or is supposed to be.
 
You either learn to appreciate music ... or give up. Get your pacifier and go home! Ohh, excuse me, put on some muzak, since it will sound better to you than Brian Eno! Or Mike Rowland! ... and I, for one, do not want "progressive" to end up like that ... a damaged old soul that can't even enjoy music and now everyone says ... what a stupid foole he/she is!
 
What I was saying is that ... the same thing was happening then, 40 years ago, that is happening today ... we were fighting to get all this good stuff heard by anyone and everyone we could ... just like today ... and many people liked it and many people didn't. The proof that there was something valuable in all the music is the total affection that so many things are discussed with these days! But for you to say that you listen to "prog" today and not any other crap, is even more scary ... that's the same attitude we were fighting then! Exactly the same with different words.
 
Listen to the music ... not the labels! That's the only thing that is going to help you understand music! Progressive or not!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 18:39
Originally posted by ptkc123 ptkc123 wrote:

Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

probley not did any 4 song doudle album top the chart 
 
I believe he was referring to Yes' Tales from Topographic Oceans, a sprawling album of genius.
ah yes that great album

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 17:23
Ive noticed somewhat of a prog revival, not only in the metal sphere (where prog has been a major force since atleast the mid 90s) but also amongst the hipsters who love to know obscure things to namedrop. Many in this scene simply want to be different or ironic (a common hipster desire) but many also find that they enjoy prog both modern and classic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 14:37
Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

probley not did any 4 song doudle album top the chart 
 
I believe he was referring to Yes' Tales from Topographic Oceans, a sprawling album of genius.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 14:33
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is dead. Dead.


All those fancy bands after 1990 are not prog.

Prog is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:23
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

 
I consider myself as feasting on music that actually sounds good to me.  Selfishly, I listen to music for my own enjoyment.

That's really weird, me too.  My wife isn't a prog freak.  LOL
Doesn't change the fact that I still listen to and enjoy prog from all the past decades.  I think I may have to refuse to enjoy prog from this new decade though. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 10:51
how are they not prog and it is verry much alive sirSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 10:33
Prog is dead. Dead.


All those fancy bands after 1990 are not prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 06:47
probley not did any 4 song doudle album top the chart 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 06:01
I believe that there will be no sudden prog comeback movement. All musical "movements" are getting less defined imo. I think it's popularity will fluctuate from now on, but there'll never be another 4 song double album topping the charts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 05:52
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Well among younger people aged 14-25 or so the most popular prog bands are Muse, Radiohead, Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria, Dream Theater, Decemberists and Porcupine Treee. These bands all come from either an indie or metal background or both. You could also add Pink Floyd and Rush to the mix. I'd say most people in that age range know all those bands yet have no f**king clue who ELP or Yes are.  Even the so called prog fans among them. They would probably associate Genesis with the pop stuff that they did later on. There could be exceptions if these kids have parents who have a copy of selling england by the pound, Close to the Edge or Brain salad surgery in their collections. Oh and if there are any kiddies on here who don't know those albums I won't say you are on the wrong site but you need to get them as soon as possible since they are well establshed classic prog albums that every prog fan has to have or at least hear (no ifs ands or buts ;) ).


As for prog coming back, let me ask this. When did it die? And if it did die what year did it die and what year did it "come back?" Some people say it died in 1978 but even if that is the case it would only apply to maybe the US or England as many places such as Japan, South America and Spain were just getting started around then. 
Well heres the only problem with what you said im 15 and i absolutely love ELP and Yes im not one of the new prog heads who started with radiohead and coheed and cambria i started with yes and thats what got me to look up bands lie king crimson or genisis. the first thing that comes to mind when i think of Genisis is peter gabrials awesome stage prefomance and return of the giant hogweed and yes my parents are one of the good ones who got me into all this haha thanks dad so id consider myself an exeptionTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 22:03
Who needs new artists when you can get the real thing on LPs or CD reissues of albums by artists from the golden age?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 22:00
Well among younger people aged 14-25 or so the most popular prog bands are Muse, Radiohead, Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria, Dream Theater, Decemberists and Porcupine Treee. These bands all come from either an indie or metal background or both. You could also add Pink Floyd and Rush to the mix. I'd say most people in that age range know all those bands yet have no f**king clue who ELP or Yes are.  Even the so called prog fans among them. They would probably associate Genesis with the pop stuff that they did later on. There could be exceptions if these kids have parents who have a copy of selling england by the pound, Close to the Edge or Brain salad surgery in their collections. Oh and if there are any kiddies on here who don't know those albums I won't say you are on the wrong site but you need to get them as soon as possible since they are well establshed classic prog albums that every prog fan has to have or at least hear (no ifs ands or buts ;) ).


As for prog coming back, let me ask this. When did it die? And if it did die what year did it die and what year did it "come back?" Some people say it died in 1978 but even if that is the case it would only apply to maybe the US or England as many places such as Japan, South America and Spain were just getting started around then. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:53
well you never know it dream theater porcupine tree and opeth are prety popular
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 19:52
I don't think its coming back. though i want it to the only real popular bands are radio head, muse and pink floyd, and it seems only the stoner's listen to Pink Floyd. not that, that is bad or good. I love Prog and i would love for it to be popular again but it wont be. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 19:06
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

I dont know about you but to me it seems like there are more prog rock artists coming out these daysClap and some are actualy popular lets here what you think do you agree or not.
 
I just wish I enjoyed some of them.   

Well, the advantage of sticking to the '70's is that it's a closed circuit, baby.  I'm almost jealous of people who have taken that position, but then I think, you know, prog music is a banquet and you're choosing to starve yourself to a certain extent.  I mean when you take in this site, there is so much variety, everything isn't for everyone, but then when is that ever the case in life anyway?
 
 
I consider myself as feasting on music that actually sounds good to me.  Selfishly, I listen to music for my own enjoyment.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:45
About a week ago I casually mentioned the band Porcupine Tree to someone who happens to be a big prog fan like me and some other guy who was wearing an Iron Maiden t shirt overheard the coversation and commented that Porcupine Tree were one of his favorite bands. This guy was probably not a big prog fan (how many prog fans do you know who wear Iron Maiden t-shirts!? Wink )so I consider this a good sign. They(PT) have been pretty well known for the past several years or so and it definitely seems that a lot of metal fans have discovered prog. Blame Dream Theater for that or maybe even this website for including so much metal related stuff. :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:11
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

I dont know about you but to me it seems like there are more prog rock artists coming out these daysClap and some are actualy popular lets here what you think do you agree or not.
 
I just wish I enjoyed some of them.   

Well, the advantage of sticking to the '70's is that it's a closed circuit, baby.  I'm almost jealous of people who have taken that position, but then I think, you know, prog music is a banquet and you're choosing to starve yourself to a certain extent.  I mean when you take in this site, there is so much variety, everything isn't for everyone, but then when is that ever the case in life anyway?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:00
Originally posted by johnfripp johnfripp wrote:

I dont know about you but to me it seems like there are more prog rock artists coming out these daysClap and some are actualy popular lets here what you think do you agree or not.
 
I just wish I enjoyed some of them.   


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 17:34
There is actually a kid at my school who wears Opeth and Between the Buried and Me, and I've seen a girl wear a Frank Zappa shirt.  Pink Floyd and Rush are also still incredibly popular among teenagers, although many of them don't know what the genre is called.  Other than that, I don't think Prog is going to make comeback like it did when it first started.
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