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    Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:19
Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

I didn't really realize that Yes lyrics actually meant anything. LOL

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Actually, there is a religious explanation to Close To The Edge.

But I do not understand it.

Maybe they believe in God, maybe in a blind designer.

Epignosis is right : Anderson is a catching-all spiritualist.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:13
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".

Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.

They don't.

you don't necessarily have to follow any religious dogma to believe in God

I wonder whether, in the choice of title, the band was referring to an older meaning of the word "science." Our current meaning only dates to the late Renaissance. Previously, the word simply meant any branch of knowledge, including the study of the divine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:35
I believe The Revealing Science of God was written after Jon read "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda. (not that there is any science going on in the book, mind you. :) )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2010 at 11:40
Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".

Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.

They don't.

you don't necessarily have to follow any religious dogma to believe in God


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2010 at 06:51
Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".

Exactly! I also think the "Soon" section of Gates of Delirium is actually about reaching for god or something similar. Anderson refers directly to reaching for the light and our reasons to believe.

I think a mistake that gets made by many is to assume we know what a lyricists, or on a different but similar take, what a poet is trying to say. In many, many cases lyrics and poetry are open to individual interpretation. To say one truly knows the intent or meaning of a song or poems meaning is not possible-and that's the beauty of them!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:54
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism.    If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy  ...that's why   I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........



Yes do not "teach us" anything. Their songs may address certain themes, though the obscurity of many of Anderson's lyrics often, and to my mind fortunately, makes any pedagogical function unlikely. These guys are musicians. While their music may at times take on a philosophical stance, the stance does not define, and most certainly does not subordinate, the music. Where such subordination occurs, as on some of the studio track son Keys to Ascension, it invariably undermines the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:41
OP, you're reading too much into things. Jon Anderson by his own admission would often write lyrics simply for how the words sounded together, and then only afterward would he attempt to find a meaning for them. 

Just sit back and enjoy the sound of his words. It's all up for interpretation, anyway. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:39
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or  even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))

Actually, Reggy, "agnostic" is the opposite of "gnostic" and means simply "not knowing," referring specifically to the unknowability of anything outside of the material realm. To be an agnostic is to admit that on does not, and cannot, know anything beyond what the senses can perceive. There is nothing about agnosticism that necessarily implies nature worship, or "love" of anything at all. Agnostics are simply people who admit that they do not and cannot know God / the gods, or even whether such entities exist. This is not necessarily a spiritual position, spirit itself being arguably unknowable, and Jon Anderson is a deeply--and eccumenically--spiritual person.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:39
Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".

Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.

They don't.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:17
Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".

Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.

They don't.


Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - June 24 2010 at 19:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:07
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 18:21
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism.    If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy  ...that's why   I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........



Well, I believe you are incorrect. Jon Anderson has stated that Close to the Edge was inspired by Siddhartha, which is the story of Buddha. Agnostic: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. Buddhists are committed to believing in the nonexistence of God. 
On your second point, Yes is only music after all. Anderson is a master of using words for their meter: consonants, syllables, and repetition are all used to create an instrument with his voice at the expense of the thematic content. His lyrics may contain meaning, but I wouldn't look too hard into the crystal ball. It's highly polished glass.
Perhaps you have simply idolized a rock band, or else you don't understand the meaning of agnosticismWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 17:10
Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I don't see where there is an agnostic message in Gates of Delirium, or And You And I.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:36
rdtprog...Please listen to Circus of Heaven.........how Yes, degenerate heaven as an earth
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A unicorn headed the mystical way
Surrounded by what seemed a thousand golden angels at play
Behind were Centaurs, elves, bright fairies all in colours of jade
On the very final day..............

and in the end the child says .No tiger, no bears, ..:))))

oooh... so long ... we live in illusion and myth..........



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:23
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or  even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))


Yes are positive existentialist, Camus, Sartre et Nietzche are mostly negative existentialist.!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:20
If i didn't listen to any music containing lyrics that i don't like, i would not listening to much music. For Yes, like Flower Kings, i always had problems with their "naive" lyrics, but i want be indulgent with them because those lyrics had inspired some great music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:29
Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or  even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:21
Indeed Jon's lyrics are spiritual but not religious. I'm not sure that fits the definition of "agnostic".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 15:19
Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism.    If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy  ...that's why   I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........


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