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    Posted: June 22 2010 at 14:44

Yess...

Guys, ...when I heard Yess, I am quite stunt with the lyrics. I am sure 100 percent this group does not believe God as a person. When I heard Gate of Delirium, You and I, or It will be a good day, those are good songs of course, but the messages is clear,  they are an agnostic group. Yess teach us how to live in harmony, and to love each other without a promising hell and heaven.  If I could say in strictly sense, the member's of groups are  Agnostic.   Yess, teach us, life is so precious, cause beyond is nothing ...........



 
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Points: 32524 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2010 at 14:51
Rick Wakeman is a Christian.

Jon Anderson is a "catch-all" spiritualist...wouldn't call him agnostic.
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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2010 at 16:28
I don't see where there is an agnostic message in Gates of Delirium, or And You And I.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I don't see where there is an agnostic message in Gates of Delirium, or And You And I.
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Points: 27993 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2010 at 00:01

Doesn't Awaken have a lyric ''be honest with yourself there is no doubt...'' Personally never really found anything ambigious about Yes and the religious side even if they don't chuck slabs of The Bible at you.
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2010 at 00:27
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

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Yeah, I'm just not hearing it. Confused
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And You and I clearly tell us how about love and the end of the world. Listen clearly in verse "coins and crosses never know their fruitless worth". It tells us that religion and money is just symbol. I think we have to know what agnostic is defined. Yes means that we should believe in love and nature than in bible or other sacred books. If listen It will be good days, yes is quite rational. We also knew that Anderson really enjoy Tolstoy.  I am sure Tolstoy  is not Christian as we knew. Please read Their Death Of Ivan Ilyich, Family Happiness or War and Peace, etc.  which inspired  Anderson write Gate of Delirium.       
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Points: 756 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 14:54
I didn't really realize that Yes lyrics actually meant anything. LOL
"The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen
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Apparently, admittedly, and artistically, Jon Anderson's lyrics are influenced by his interests in Siddhartha and Buddhism. 
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Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism.    If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy  ...that's why   I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........
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Indeed Jon's lyrics are spiritual but not religious. I'm not sure that fits the definition of "agnostic".
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Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or  even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))
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If i didn't listen to any music containing lyrics that i don't like, i would not listening to much music. For Yes, like Flower Kings, i always had problems with their "naive" lyrics, but i want be indulgent with them because those lyrics had inspired some great music. 
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Points: 5285 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 16:23
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or  even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))


Yes are positive existentialist, Camus, Sartre et Nietzche are mostly negative existentialist.!
Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness.

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rdtprog...Please listen to Circus of Heaven.........how Yes, degenerate heaven as an earth
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A unicorn headed the mystical way
Surrounded by what seemed a thousand golden angels at play
Behind were Centaurs, elves, bright fairies all in colours of jade
On the very final day..............

and in the end the child says .No tiger, no bears, ..:))))

oooh... so long ... we live in illusion and myth..........
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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 17:10
Originally posted by Anirml Anirml wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I don't see where there is an agnostic message in Gates of Delirium, or And You And I.


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Points: 771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 18:21
Originally posted by Reggy Reggy wrote:

Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism.    If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy  ...that's why   I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........



Well, I believe you are incorrect. Jon Anderson has stated that Close to the Edge was inspired by Siddhartha, which is the story of Buddha. Agnostic: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. Buddhists are committed to believing in the nonexistence of God. 
On your second point, Yes is only music after all. Anderson is a master of using words for their meter: consonants, syllables, and repetition are all used to create an instrument with his voice at the expense of the thematic content. His lyrics may contain meaning, but I wouldn't look too hard into the crystal ball. It's highly polished glass.
Perhaps you have simply idolized a rock band, or else you don't understand the meaning of agnosticism. Wink


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Points: 1719 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:07
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God".
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