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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 01:30
Originally posted by XunknownX XunknownX wrote:

90% of the information is taken away in a mp3-file, do you know that?! They sound sh*t!
Even if you burn them onto a CDR, those with good ears clearly hears a big difference in sound-quality compared to a direct copy or the real CD (wich sounds even better).
The best thing would be to put out music on DVD's or Blu-Ray's in the future, that would make the problem with CD's (the fact that they can't hold frequences above 20.000 Hz) go away and they would sound warmer and less digital due to that. And PLEASE: STOP "over-remaster" so damn much, it just damage the music!
My dream would be DVD's or Blu'Ray's with audiophile flat transfers, wrapped in bigger package to make it possible for artwork like in the "vinyl-days".
And why Mp3 at all?? Today the hard-drives on all equipments has so much space that WAV-files can be used, they don't lack any information at all.
I pity the Mp3-generation, they think that music sounds as bad as they're used to hear, they don't know good Hi-Fi sound, 'cause they've never heard it.


Just a bunch of lies and misinformation IMO. Either you have never listened to a properly ripped and encoded MP3, or you're just too credulous and believe everything the audiophile camp is saying (and most of that is motivated by justifying the enormous amounts of money they put into their gear).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 13:37
they've never heard it.
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Just a bunch of lies and misinformation IMO. Either you have never listened to a properly ripped and encoded MP3, or you're just too credulous and believe everything the audiophile camp is saying (and most of that is motivated by justifying the enormous amounts of money they put into their gear).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2010 at 15:36
There is indeed a difference between the quality of an original CD and ripped mp3. Although I dont quite understand the statement, that most computers or other hardware are too weak to be FLAC compatible. I have most of my CD collection ripped to FLAC and it is working just fine. Havent heared any problems from other people either. In fact it is much easier and productive and safe to use digital media.

I´m not arguing at all that losing the actual CD and its artwork is a downside of that convenience. But personally I have experienced situations when I lost a valuable CD (and an hour of priceless music on it) just because of its natural wear. A little hint - never use your CD-s in a car stereo.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2010 at 08:14
^ rip a song in mp3 (high bitrate, properly ripped and encoded) and flac ... then give the two files to a friend and ask him to burn them to an audio CD, just labelling them A and B. I bet you won't be able to tell A from B.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2010 at 17:54
No CDS?  Thats terrible! I cried when vinyl was extinguished, I loved vinyl as a teen, used to stare at the covers  it was true art....
 
My MP3 stopped working last month. I just loaded an album, charged it up, and when I went to turn it on, nothing! Seriously, I did nothing wroign it just will not work!
 
Technology is dangerous, it can breeak down, CDS can last forever if you look after them that is. I can understand vinyl being rep;laced, I cant tell you how easy it is to scratch a record or warp one in the sun, but CDs? Its ridiculous to think we will have a downloaded culture - i hate that idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2010 at 18:09
 ^ hear hear, physicality should not disappear, if people wanna be able to simply download or stream that's great, but don't rob those of us who like to see, touch, smell and taste our music


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2010 at 18:15
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ hear hear, physicality should not disappear, if people wanna be able to simply download or stream that's great, but don't rob those of us who like to see, touch, smell and taste our music

Hear hear, the modern music experience isn't just about the sound but how those sounds are packaged.  Album artwork, lyrics...

I do envision a day when the players will be able to holographically do that and more.  Of course then we'll have to buy new versions of everything at exorbitant prices, assuming we're still alive.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2010 at 18:22
well at least if I get a bluray player I can still enjoy me old DVDs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2010 at 15:54
This is almost irrelevant to the topic but still funny and relevant to the problems of digital media in general. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2010 at 18:51
For what it's worth, my local Costco seems to no longer carry CD's at all.  Now they never had a great selection, but they did have the usual country and pop best-sellers, and were usually reliable about-catering to us old farts (new Dylan albums, new Rush albums, etc.).  Anyway, what used to be the DVD section is now the Blue Ray section, and what used to be the CD section is now the DVD section. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2010 at 05:43

mp3 is fine, it's those damn earphones that are crap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2010 at 11:03
The download culture will ruin the age of physical music.  It is already moving remarkably fast, and soon, all but digital media will be obsolete.  It will be a sad say when one must stare at a glowing screen to hear the new progressive rock album by "..."  I'm just glad to see that there still remains faithful businesses and artists devoted to the superior physical media.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 18:20
i'm still mourning the loss of gatefold sleeves!!!

my music collection is almost entirely digital already but losing going out and buying an album and holding it and looking at the artwork would be very very sad if the CD does die i would hope that digital music is still distributed physically in a different way whether it be via flash drives (with fancy cases) ive seen things similiar too this, but however the death of CD's would be handled i would really hope music remains a physical product
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 06:45
Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

they've never heard it.


Just a bunch of lies and misinformation IMO. Either you have never listened to a properly ripped and encoded MP3, or you're just too credulous and believe everything the audiophile camp is saying (and most of that is motivated by justifying the enormous amounts of money they put into their gear).
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If I rip for immediate burning I do flac...if I rip for storing on an iPod i rip mp3 VBR at 320.  I can still hear a difference... though it doesn't destroy the entire enjoyment.  It does in fact very much show its head when the album is an old record...say...an old Jazz album with a lot of white noise and soft brushes on the snare.  Then it becomes an obvious challenge...or in old Orchestral recordings.

In any case...if you're going to listen albums with a lot of studio work in them compressed to perfection, then it probably doesn't matter for you.  I personally have Anglagard's - Epilog on vinyl along with Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior because of their minimal studio production.  On the other side...I'd never buy an album such as Flower Kings on vinyl...CD is fine, and ripped mp3's still sound fine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 07:52
To hell with the CD.  They take up waaaayyyy too much room and who needs the booklets and the artwork and whatnot.  I'm tossing all of mine out the window right away.

Seriously, you can have your CD and rip it, but you can never have a download and make a CD out of it.  Oh wait, on second thought I have actually done that:



Edited by Slartibartfast - June 19 2010 at 07:56
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 10:03
The only bad part I see would be some of the classic older bands fading from existence because the download sites wouldn't pick them up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 15:35
I sure hope not.  I think the music industry is already suffering because of the advent of downloads, and to completely dispose of CD's won't make it any better.  As many have said in this thread, I want to have a physical copy of an album.  While music is of course the most important factor, there is still more to an album than what meets the ear.  I want to be immersed in the cover art and liner notes and lyrics pamphlet, instead of just clicking a bar on a list which causes music to come out.  I don't care if I have to pay extra or wait a few days for it to arrive in the mail, it's still so much more tantalizing to me than a lifeless file.  If downloads become the mainstream way of buying music, let's just that my music purchasing will diminish into nothing, and this thread proves I won't be the only one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 18:36
and what of classical and jazz listeners?  A significant piece of the market made up of people who may not be into the download thing..they'll want their CDs, and they'll complain if they start disappearing

on the other side, a friend who runs one of the better-known Prog sites says this was the first year he started getting more downloads than CDs from the labels that send him stuff (which he wasn't happy about)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 18:42
Does optical necessary implies digital?

I mean, could an optical cable transfer analog data?

We could burn (cut) the vinyls on demand.Big smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 22:29
yeah but CD's died technologically speaking at least 5 years ago ( Even though I am a personal fan of the media)
 
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