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Joined: June 14 2006
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 17:32
Sckxyss wrote:
Most of these aren't "pure" punk, but..
Television - Marquee Moon Wipers - Youth of America Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance/Dub Housing The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 19:30
Nice to hear from the punk purists
Punks were notorious for always trying to be the punkest and write off everyone else. In the US hardcore scene a lot of the Brit '77 styled punk listed here was considered music for posers with safety pins, weekend mohawks and leather jackets, as well as the Ramones too.
X were considered to be total sell-outs for getting with a major label.
You guys shouldn't worry about what is punk, it was different things to different people at different times in different parts of the globe.
How many of you 'experts' were at the clubs in the late 70s and early 80s seeing these bands for real with the scars to prove it, or up on the stage opening for many of these bands.
Joined: August 17 2005
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 20:44
Easy Money wrote:
How many of you 'experts' were at the clubs in the late 70s and early 80s seeing these bands for real with the scars to prove it, or up on the stage opening for many of these bands.
Nah man, I spent the late 70s riding easy in my Chevy V8 enjoying the punch of Steve Walsh, Brad Delp and Lou Gramm screaming through the pungent smoke that filled the cab of my car
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 20:47
^ contrary to the front they put up in their 'zines', California punks weren't as 'straight-edge' as they pretended to be, ha ha.
Which reminds me, I went to a punk club in Yugoslavia in 82 and it was a bunch of old hippies getting wasted on alcohol, in the US it would be young people with short hair and no alcohol at an all-ages club.
Joined: August 11 2007
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 15:44
^ yeah the Beastie Boys were one of the few hardcore bands with a sense of humor, they also did a bizarre tour opening for Madonna, I suppose they were pals/associates in NYC. This was back when Madonna was the new disco/RnB singer with a punky look.
Some bands that came up through the San Francisco hardcore scene that went on to other things were PA's Nuerosis (originally Violent Coercion with glued up mohawks and everything), and Faith No Man (later called Faith No More with an added keyboard and more pop leanings).
I'm honestly just getting into punk music. Was never too big on much of it, but have been getting big into Dead Kennedys and Black Flag lately. I used to own that punk Beastie Boys album "Some Old Bullsh*t", and don't know why I got rid of it. It's quite an amusing album.
Joined: May 16 2009
Location: Blighty
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 16:11
Easy Money wrote:
Nice to hear from the punk purists Punks were notorious for always trying to be the punkest and write off everyone else. In the US hardcore scene a lot of the Brit '77 styled punk listed here was considered music for posers with safety pins, weekend mohawks and leather jackets, as well as the Ramones too. X were considered to be total sell-outs for getting with a major label.
You guys shouldn't worry about what is punk, it was different things to different people at different times in different parts of the globe.
How many of you 'experts' were at the clubs in the late 70s and early 80s seeing these bands for real with the scars to prove it, or up on the stage opening for many of these bands.
Yes and we should stop debating 'what is prog?' while we're at it? I agree that peoples views vary but thats why we talk about these things? We like talking about these things. I think some of us just didn't want this to turn into another post punk thread as there are several of these doing the rounds at the moment.
Joined: March 02 2006
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 16:23
thellama73 wrote:
I'm not much of a punk listener, but Walk Among Us by The Misfits is incredible.
I was going to write that The Misfits were the only punk band I was really ever into. Well, them and Athletico Spizz 80 (or Spizzenergi/Spizzles/Spizzoil/Spizz... they changed their name all the time), but they are quite complex.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 16:46
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Nice to hear from the punk purists Punks were notorious for always trying to be the punkest and write off everyone else. In the US hardcore scene a lot of the Brit '77 styled punk listed here was considered music for posers with safety pins, weekend mohawks and leather jackets, as well as the Ramones too. X were considered to be total sell-outs for getting with a major label. You guys shouldn't worry about what is punk, it was different things to different people at different times in different parts of the globe. How many of you 'experts' were at the clubs in the late 70s and early 80s seeing these bands for real with the scars to prove it, or up on the stage opening for many of these bands.
Yes and we should stop debating 'what is prog?' while we're at it? I agree that peoples views vary but thats why we talk about these things? We like talking about these things. I think some of us just didn't want this to turn into another post punk thread as there are several of these doing the rounds at the moment.
I will obviously have to bow to your expertise!
Ha ha, its all good.
A lot of people don't realize how punk Devo was at first. Sure they were smarty-pants nerds and all that, but for their first couple tours they were very aggressive and in your face. While other new wave bands like T Heads and B 52s would stand on the stage like newby rock stars, Devo would mix up with the crowd, definitely not afraid of the gratuitous physical violence, they (at least their lead singer) loved it.
After their first two albums they lost their edge.
Joined: May 16 2009
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 17:15
Easy Money wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Nice to hear from the punk purists Punks were notorious for always trying to be the punkest and write off everyone else. In the US hardcore scene a lot of the Brit '77 styled punk listed here was considered music for posers with safety pins, weekend mohawks and leather jackets, as well as the Ramones too. X were considered to be total sell-outs for getting with a major label. You guys shouldn't worry about what is punk, it was different things to different people at different times in different parts of the globe. How many of you 'experts' were at the clubs in the late 70s and early 80s seeing these bands for real with the scars to prove it, or up on the stage opening for many of these bands.
Yes and we should stop debating 'what is prog?' while we're at it? I agree that peoples views vary but thats why we talk about these things? We like talking about these things. I think some of us just didn't want this to turn into another post punk thread as there are several of these doing the rounds at the moment.
I will obviously have to bow to your expertise!
Ha ha, its all good. A lot of people don't realize how punk Devo was at first. Sure they were smarty-pants nerds and all that, but for their first couple tours they were very aggressive and in your face. While other new wave bands like T Heads and B 52s would stand on the stage like newby rock stars, Devo would mix up with the crowd, definitely not afraid of the gratuitous physical violence, they (at least their lead singer) loved it. After their first two albums they lost their edge.
Yes you pick one of those impossible to define bands. I was lucky enough to see them in 78 on the bill with Genesis of all people! And at the time I thought they were punk - as did the fans who threw bottles at them!. Then if you look at their early recordings they could be seen as Artrock and then later they were pretty straight forward pop. They lost it completely.
They might have made a punk record with Are we Not men but I don't think so - even if they liked a scrap! I would have loved to see them at the time in a small club!
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 19:26
^ I still think Slap your Mammy Down is punker than anything X ever did
I almost put Tallica's Kill em all on my list, that was number one with the west coast hardcore crowd when it came out.
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 04:04
London Calling (The Clash)
Outlandos D'amour,(the Police)
Rattus Norwegicus (Stranglers),
The Gift (The Jam)
Violent Femmes (debut)
The Modern Dance (Pere Ubu)
I'm sure I forget one or two as I write this.
Edited by Sean Trane - June 17 2010 at 04:09
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Joined: May 16 2009
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 12:12
Easy Money wrote:
^ I still think Slap your Mammy Down is punker than anything X ever did I almost put Tallica's Kill em all on my list, that was number one with the west coast hardcore crowd when it came out.
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