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Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:24 |
I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". She is listening to it right now, i heard 'Dancing With the Moonlit Knight' a moment ago.
I hope she can enjoy this type of music as I have heaps to give her if so. Also I can talk to her about it and its important to have an interest with your teen daughters and sons.
My question is then is it possible for teens to enjoy this type of early prog rather than the stuff on the radio that is churned out? I hope so, as then we would have a common interest. Interesting thought....
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:25 |
My son is almost three. He loves Genesis, especially "Can-Utility and the Coastliners."
It's his favorite song ever.
Well, probably second to "The Wheels on the Bus." 
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:32 |
I think they can. I remember that when I was a 14-year old laddie, I had a transistor radio standing beside my bed. Between 10 PM and 11 PM I listened to the radio using an earphone, so that my parents would not catch me in the act. On this time some more progressive tracks from recently released albums were played. One of these albums was Selling England by the Pound. I did like the song Firth of Fifth, which was played several times in these days (autumn 1973).
However, my 14-year old daughter has her own preferences and she calls progressive rock 'beaver music' (formerly 'goat music'). It's just a matter of taste...
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:56 |
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absolutely.iam 18 y.old and i loved genesis since first hear them :).my fav song is dancing with moonlit knight.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:01 |
I'm 19, first heard Selling England at 17 and loved every moment of it. Been listening to the Flower Kings even longer and they're similar
I wouldn't go expecting all people my age to warm up to them so quickly, but to each their own..
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:10 |
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yeah I've been listening to prog since i was 16 and now im 21 :P
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:18 |
Thats encouraging to read all these posts - i think she will enjoy them but it wil take time for her to adjust to the different style. She may like Yes better but they have so many long songs it may shock her LOL
In any case I would rather she listen to something I know and I know the lifestyle of the group and it wont lead her to darker music.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:21 |
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I think I was 15 when I got into Genesis. Started with Selling England, which has never really touched me, but when hearing Foxtrot I was convinced of their greatness.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:23 |
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I can't see any reason why not. I was 12 when I got into prog, myself (currently 44 BTW). I have a 2 1/2 year-old daughter wth whom I listen to a wide range of music, including symphonic, neo-, and cross-over prog. She will often ask me to put some music on, and when she asks for "fast music," I know she wants to listen to Rush. She has described Yes as "happy music," and applied the descriptor "nice music" to more prog bands than I can name here. I think it's a matter of exposure, and of respecting her own growing tastes; i.e. if she doesn't like something, I take it off and find something more to her liking. I will also need to remain open, once she gets older and starts exploring music on her own, to the posibility of her introducing me to bands I might not otherwise encouter or seek out. Fair is fair. Then we will both have something to offer.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:30 |
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I think the fact that she's listening to it at all shows great promise. SEBTP sure beats Miley Cyrus or whatever 13 year old girls listen to these days?
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:37 |
 AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". She is listening to it right now, i heard 'Dancing With the Moonlit Knight' a moment ago.
I hope she can enjoy this type of music as I have heaps to give her if so. Also I can talk to her about it and its important to have an interest with your teen daughters and sons.
My question is then is it possible for teens to enjoy this type of early prog rather than the stuff on the radio that is churned out? I hope so, as then we would have a common interest. Interesting thought.... |
I deal more with toddlers. I know I'm going off thread a bit but, just for another viewpoint regarding parents relation with their children in music, the parent must review the material first hand. Example: I was confident with Magical Mystery Tour watching my 7 and 4 year old boys singing the words and playing drums. My nine year old daughter stood and sang while dancing. Everything seemed fine until "Strawberry Fields Forever" came along and my daughter was in terror and I stopped the music to hold her. Actually, it was a mess. All 3 of my kids love the Yellow Submarine film and also Help! and listen to the entire Beatles catalog while skipping over S.F.F.....They seem to request a lot of insane children's songs like..."Bike" from Pink Floyd Relics. I had thought that tune to be on the darkside regarding some of the effects and hesitated upon playing it for them...but, they love it so maybe it's the atmosphere of S.F.F. that brings terror.
They request...'I'm so Cute" from Frank Zappa, my 4 year old sings the words to Sunny Afternoon by the Kinks and my daughter enjoys Russian Winter by Omega and the early Genesis. In observation many of the pieces I've mentioned are childlike in a musical approach and in the lyrics. She loves the lyrics of Peter Gabriel because she thinks he is telling her a story. She is drawn into the band's music for that fact alone.She understands play acting and that is a plus. You have to take precautions with electronic music....It's fine if the background has a Wendy Carlos feel or Johannes Schmoelling but, it's not good to play TD. As everyone here knows this fact however, your judgement is never an exact science when choosing the musical agenda for your children. Some children feel afraid of a melodic folk song.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:38 |
rod65 wrote:
I can't see any reason why not. I was 12 when I got into prog, myself (currently 44 BTW). I have a 2 1/2 year-old daughter wth whom I listen to a wide range of music, including symphonic, neo-, and cross-over prog. She will often ask me to put some music on, and when she asks for "fast music," I know she wants to listen to Rush. She has described Yes as "happy music," and applied the descriptor "nice music" to more prog bands than I can name here. I think it's a matter of exposure, and of respecting her own growing tastes; i.e. if she doesn't like something, I take it off and find something more to her liking. I will also need to remain open, once she gets older and starts exploring music on her own, to the posibility of her introducing me to bands I might not otherwise encouter or seek out. Fair is fair. Then we will both have something to offer. |
Yes, exactly! I think thats a great idea to expose them to it rather than force them. i was exposed to Country as a kid but it made no difference altho i liked some Johnny Cash and Don Williams I was still into Kiss and Sweet and Pink Floyd. Mum was worried about Pink Floyd but had no problem with Kiss! Go figure. She even took me to a Kiss concert in 1980 with my sister. My daughter does listen to Miley Cyrus but shes grown tired of her - not enough diversity
i hope she can appreciate the greatness of Genesis as you all seem to in your teen years. I mean she can listen to the Phil collins years too as long as she enjoys the music and I have plenty on hand for her.She could listen to every album without spending cash on the albums.
I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts?
Thx for responses.  A feel good thread at present 
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:44 |
TODDLER wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". She is listening to it right now, i heard 'Dancing With the Moonlit Knight' a moment ago.
I hope she can enjoy this type of music as I have heaps to give her if so. Also I can talk to her about it and its important to have an interest with your teen daughters and sons.
My question is then is it possible for teens to enjoy this type of early prog rather than the stuff on the radio that is churned out? I hope so, as then we would have a common interest. Interesting thought.... |
I deal more with toddlers. I know I'm going off thread a bit but, just for another viewpoint regarding parents relation with their children in music, the parent must review the material first hand. Example: I was confident with Magical Mystery Tour watching my 7 and 4 year old boys singing the words and playing drums. My nine year old daughter stood and sang while dancing. Everything seemed fine until "Strawberry Fields Forever" came along and my daughter was in terror and I stopped the music to hold her. Actually, it was a mess. All 3 of my kids love the Yellow Submarine film and also Help! and listen to the entire Beatles catalog while skipping over S.F.F.....They seem to request a lot of insane children's songs like..."Bike" from Pink Floyd Relics. I had thought that tune to be on the darkside regarding some of the effects and hesitated upon playing it for them...but, they love it so maybe it's the atmosphere of S.F.F. that brings terror.
They request...'I'm so Cute" from Frank Zappa, my 4 year old sings the words to Sunny Afternoon by the Kinks and my daughter enjoys Russian Winter by Omega and the early Genesis. In observation many of the pieces I've mentioned are childlike in a musical approach and in the lyrics. She loves the lyrics of Peter Gabriel because she thinks he is telling her a story. She is drawn into the band's music for that fact alone.She understands play acting and that is a plus. You have to take precautions with electronic music....It's fine if the background has a Wendy Carlos feel or Johannes Schmoelling but, it's not good to play TD. As everyone here knows this fact however, your judgement is never an exact science when choosing the musical agenda for your children. Some children feel afraid of a melodic folk song. |
Intriguing and i can see how Strawbery Fields would scare young children. My little 4 yr old boy loves yello wSubmarine and is always singing it and he enjoys Octopuses garden but i would never play revolution 9 to him.  I would be careful to play anything dark as I dont want to encourage it really. If my daughter gets into emo music that will be a sad day for me personally but what can you do? I do my best to vbring them up in what way suits best. and its up to them what they get into. i know she was very interested in the DVD Musical war of the Worlds I grabbed at the concert I attended. Jeff waynes WotW is scary in places too especually the martian war machines but she understood it was musical experience and had no probs with the creepiness of it. Shes getting interested in twilight now and that concerns me a bit as it is vampirish. I showed her Avatar last week, her first M film but I was there with her to explain parts. She enjoyed it and it was nice to watch a decent film with her for a change.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:47 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". |
WTF? How the hell "Selling England By The Pound" is good for the sleep time? It's rather noisy. I would give her "Islands" by King Crimson or Gentle Giant's "Acquiring The Taste" - these are very sleepy. From Genesis I would take "Trespass", but "Selling England By The Pound"? Bad choice...
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:49 |
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I think the fact that she's listening to it at all shows great promise. SEBTP sure beats Miley Cyrus or whatever 13 year old girls listen to these days?
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yes Miley Cyrius has infiltrated our house of late - shes Ok but I cant see it lasting as its a fad lie Justin Bieber - they are great while they are young but thats not going to last is it? Bands with longevity such as Genesis and ELP and Yes for me are the pinnacle of success in prog. Rush is too heavy for my daughter, King Crimson too weird, hawkwind too spacey, but these other bands mentioned are ideal. heck, I'd prefer she listened to 'We cant dance' by Genesis or 'Invisible Touch' rather than Miley Cyrus..... 
i am just going to leave these CDs with her and she can listen to them as it suits her. i think she is excited her dad is lending her his precious music, and thats what she said today. She requested them after we talked about music at lunch. Now she is in her room cranking out Genesis - its a nice thing for me personally to see our interests beginning to be entwined as its so difficult to communicate with teens as a parent.
PS NICE sig by the way! 
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 07 2010 at 08:50
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:54 |
Wiktor Hatif wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". |
WTF? How the hell "Selling England By The Pound" is good for the sleep time? It's rather noisy. I would give her "Islands" by King Crimson or Gentle Giant's "Acquiring The Taste" - these are very sleepy. From Genesis I would take "Trespass", but "Selling England By The Pound"? Bad choice...
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Not really she was just listening to it quietly and it starts off rather quietly with the intro of Moonlit and Gabriels quiet approach. Sure it gets crazy by the middle of the album but by then she's asleep. I think she is going to get up in the morning and listen to it properly she told me.
Islands may not interest her I feel, and Gentle Giant - hmmmmm thats a thought, I could give her some of that as well. i am just glad she is not ignoring her dad's interests like so mamy teens do these days.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:56 |
Wh1sKy wrote:
absolutely.iam 18 y.old and i loved genesis since first hear them :).my fav song is dancing with moonlit knight. |
wow your first post in my thread!
nice to hear from you, hope u can enjoy your time here at the progarchives. Say hello in the fun section too.
you have excellent taste in music!!!
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 07 2010 at 08:56
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:03 |
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I was 17 when I first heard Nursery Cryme and loved it instantly so yes.
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:08 |
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I'm 21 years old and I got to prog partially because of my dad, and two old records (on compact cassette's), that was lying around the house - Pink Floyd's Dark Side, and In The Court Of The Crimson King. It wasn't so long ago, about five years, but then I only had my cassette player and no money to buy records, no friends to borrow records. So I gave these two a shot :)
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Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:10 |
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Sure, my brother fed me prog ages before I had any facial hair but I loved it right away.
The secret is to find something that clicks with her and will make her explore the genre further.
For me Floyd and Rush put me under the prog-spell.
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