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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:23 |
James wrote:
At the metal club I frequent they seem to play Killswitch Engage's version more than Dio's now...
This is sickening...
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That's surprising because metalheads like to call the KSE version a travesty on metal or some such thing. Maybe the club you visit likes modern metal, the one with breakdowns and metalcore screams more.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:23 |
rogerthat wrote:
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Well, yes, if melody is "gay" to you, I would say you're not likely to expand your musical horizons too much |
Yeah, anything 'mellow' is so un-metal and therefore s**ks. And as James says, they make the strangest choices when it comes to 'non-metal'. They tend to like glam/pop metal rather than classic rock.
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That's not always true... they love that Journey track...
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:25 |
I couldn't even get one of my metalhead friends to listen to Rainbow. And they will listen to stuff like Dokken or Skid Row because it's heavy. And this one likes Dio by the way.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:26 |
rogerthat wrote:
James wrote:
At the metal club I frequent they seem to play Killswitch Engage's version more than Dio's now...
This is sickening...
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That's surprising because metalheads like to call the KSE version a travesty on metal or some such thing. Maybe the club you visit likes modern metal, the one with breakdowns and metalcore screams more.
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That they do. They always play the same tracks by those bands too. It's usually Rage's Killing in the Name, SoaD's Chop Suey, Korn's Freak on a Leash... The worst thing they play (apart from some hip-hop) is that horrible mix of Jay-Z and Linkin' Park.
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:26 |
rogerthat wrote:
James wrote:
At the metal club I frequent they seem to play Killswitch Engage's version more than Dio's now...
This is sickening...
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That's surprising because metalheads like to call the KSE version a travesty on metal or some such thing. Maybe the club you visit likes modern metal, the one with breakdowns and metalcore screams more.
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Yeah I think we are working with several different definitions of "metalhead" in this thread....
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:30 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Yeah I think we are working with several different definitions of "metalhead" in this thread.... |
Metalcore could prove to be a divisive force in metal bigtime. Metal largely dissociated itself from nu metal but things have not been so straightforward with metalcore. Simply because, especially deathcore can get hard to differentiate from brutal death metal. Yes, there are differences but at some point they are not significant enough for a lot of people to care about it. Local gigs have only metalcore bands. Lamb of God had a very successful show in Bangalore last month. I think in about ten years or less time, the traditional crowd will be ruing nostalgically about what once was rather than proudly proclaiming that they would support true metal to the finish.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:32 |
^ Sure, I mean look at me....from the prog side of things, I love Meshuggah and Death, but BTBAM? I can't really take it. Looks like I'm guilty of this too....
(except I'm convinced that my way is the right way )
Looks who's close-minded now....
Edited by Tarquin Underspoon - June 05 2010 at 23:33
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:33 |
Oh and many metal fans seem to also like AC/DC, RATT, Kiss, Manowar and other such bands. So yes, they like the glam thing...
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34 |
I like Opeth, Agalloch and The Pax Cecilia.
Most other metal passes me by. I tried Batboom (as I call them) and I didn't much care for them either.
Oh and none of my metal friends have heard of maudlin of the Well or Between the Buried and Me either.
Edited by James - June 05 2010 at 23:34
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34 |
I couldn't quite enjoy Colours for different reasons than the metalcore elements. I don't really mind the screams and breakdowns but what metalcore bands I heard were pretty mediocre. Then again, modern thrash doesn't cover itself in glory either. I think the push to metalcore is inevitable because the only powerful alternative the true metal world has thrown up is doom metal and to expect teenage kids to listen to that is too much.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:35 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference. |
There is quite a large difference I find. The metal fans I know are still somewhat open-minded, at least compared to most. The screamo fans are a lot like what Dellinger said there.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:35 |
James wrote:
Oh and many metal fans seem to also like AC/DC, RATT, Kiss, Manowar and other such bands. So yes, they like the glam thing...
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They definitely dig that larger than life feeling with lots of delay and all. I guess they find 70s production values too humble in comparison.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:36 |
Then there's bands like Pig Destroyer who I don't understand how anyone could enjoy...
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:37 |
Look, I've solved all our categorization problems!
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:39 |
I seem to have had very different experiences in this matter than the rest of you. I'm 16, and my year is quite good compared to many. It's not as anti-intellectual as many, I'm part of an intelligent group that certainly aren't nerdy, and they're pretty well respected throughout the year. I haven't heard of any major metal scene in my year, maybe only a few people. Most listen to rap or super mainstream pop, there's always talk about the artist of the moment. In my group, most of the girls only listen to pop, half of the guys listen to pop and clasic or alt rock. But there's a fair few who listen to the likes of Radiohead, Muse, Coldplay. Then there's my best friend, who listens to those bands, lots of alt rock and some of my prog. We also both listen to classical and jazz, being musicians.
So basically, my situation doesn't seem as dire as many of yours.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:41 |
^^
Skid Row and poison = metal?
Edited by DT-PT - June 05 2010 at 23:43
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:42 |
Kazza3 wrote:
Then there's my best friend, who listens to those bands, lots of alt rock and some of my prog. We also both listen to classical and jazz, being musicians.
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It's very hard to meet a musician, first things first, and then even harder to meet someone who doesn't have his own axe to grind and is prepared to share his tastes with yours.
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So basically, my situation doesn't seem as dire as many of yours. |
I wouldn't call my situation dire. I don't bring music into socializing. Very honestly, I find it easier to deal with people who are not much interested in music than those who know a little and start talking. Because the former group is almost deferential in the matter of music and says I should take up music seriously if I like it so much whereas the latter group gets argumentative. Sports is usually a much better common ground in office discussions. We'll be talking about RG 2010 all of tomorrow.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:43 |
DT-PT apologies for derailing your thread into a metal discussion.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:44 |
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:45 |
James wrote:
DT-PT apologies for derailing your thread into a metal discussion. |
+1....sorry, my man, it's just easy to get us carried away
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