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Posted: June 04 2010 at 18:57

Any relation btw this 2? Thanks.

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Posted: June 04 2010 at 19:12

Well, uh, all their albums are definitely proto-prog as far back as Sgt. Pepper, and some will argue Revolver. That's a relation.

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Posted: June 04 2010 at 20:17

I think the same.

Aaaand, that Sgt. Peppers was a primary influence to King Crimson´s first work.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 03:10

Could "Tomorrow Never Knows" be the first and father of Classic Prog??? Ying Yang

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 03:53

To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album, save a couple of tracks that could be classed proto-prog at a stretch. I'm pretty certain that Please Please Me or Yesterday aren't prog records though LOL

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 04:11

Just we are talking about Sgt. Peppers, and other songs from the fab4.

Besides...Nektar is pop-prog, there are many bands with a poppy spirit in their career. Though being proto-prog, Beatles were clearly the roots to follow for many of the new bands of Classic Rock as KC, YES, Camel...

Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock. Approve

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 05:20

yep, lots of prog elements there. They were also revolutionary with the sound - Revolution #9 and the whole Abbey Road album (Alan Parsons himself worked on it).

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 05:28

Wiktor Hatif wrote:

yep, lots of prog elements there. They were also revolutionary with the sound - Revolution #9 and the whole Abbey Road album (Alan Parsons himself worked on it).

Yes, Wiktor. Many thanks for the remembering. Abbey Road final mix is an excellent prog element, with the epic Opus in Golden Slumbers.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:16

Progist wrote:

To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album...

I think this raises some interesting questions. What exactly is pop? And are pop and prog mutually exclusive? It could be argued that even if you want to call the Beatles pop, there were elements of musical sophistication that could be described as 'progressive' in the true sense of the word, taken in the context of the times.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:20

Progist wrote:

To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album,

Yes, but there's that little thing called "A day in the life" which...you know... LOL

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:37

Proto-prog for sure/ As mentioned earlier: "Tomorrow Never Knows," "A Day in the Life," Within You Without You," "Revolution #9," I'd even say that "Dear Prudence" has elements of psychedelic/Space rock.

I've always felt that the Beatles opened the paths to just about every category of rock.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 08:15

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I've always felt that the Beatles opened the paths to just about every category of rock.

Exactly, and stating the different is just being ignorant or childishly rebelled. This is fact, period.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:20

SergiUriah wrote:

Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock. Approve

So, Revolver doesn't count? Elanor Rigby, and all that?

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 10:23

and what about "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues from 1967 ? That was faaaar more symphonic than Sgt. Peppers :)

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 10:46

Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite! Not prog …? Confused

Of course Beatles started as a pop/rock band, but what they did later had an immense impact on prog. The song I mentioned could even fit in on Lizard.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 12:03

JLocke wrote:

SergiUriah wrote:

Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock. Approve

So, Revolver doesn't count? Elanor Rigby, and all that?

"Yesterday" ?

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 15:33

JLocke wrote:

SergiUriah wrote:

Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock. Approve

So, Revolver doesn't count? Elanor Rigby, and all that?

I mean to say the whole album. Eleaanor Rigby is not rock, Tomorrow Never Knows yes, and singles as Rain or Paperback Writer...

But Sgt. Peppers showed the way to many bands in the 70s and of course to KC too. I think so.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 18:34

I think people give Sgt Pepper way too much credit. There was much crazier music going on at the time. Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded in the same studio on the same dates. And Piper is miles beyond Sgt Peppers in terms of progressiveness, psychedelia, originality, and in my opinion quality.

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 20:46

himtroy wrote:

I think people give Sgt Pepper way too much credit. There was much crazier music going on at the time. Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded in the same studio on the same dates. And Piper is miles beyond Sgt Peppers in terms of progressiveness, psychedelia, originality, and in my opinion quality.

I have to admit this is true (and it is also true of Moody Blues and Procol Harum, some will argue). Also, I'm frankly surprised at the number of these conversations that go by without citing Pet Sounds. Yeah, yeah, roll your eyes, people, but I've been listening to it a lot lately, and on the whole, it is far more "progressive" in nature than most of Sgt. Pepper or Revolver or what have you. I would say Pet Sounds is a highly influential and tragically overlooked record in the proto-prog community. Give it a spin, you'll hear what I mean.

Edited by Tarquin Underspoon - June 05 2010 at 20:47

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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34

I don´t think so. Even they are Pink Floyd. Piper At The...is a psychedelia album, but it is no miles beyond in those characteristics.

That first album has not prog elements as clear at in the next albums. Psychedelia is more effective in Peppers than in PF album, there exists a line and tones that carry you far away in your mind at Beatles album.

And, overall, the red album from Beatles has more more more more more...originality than Pinf Floyd´s one. Of course. There is more difference and colours among the songs, and the album is amazing.

Pinf Floyds Piper...is a good album, but you can see is the first one. Beatles had a road walked, and the production is awesome too.

There´s many differences btw then. In my opinion.

And talking about Pet Sounds, I can´t hear the prog elements there. Ouch