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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10678 |
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Yeah, the masters degree did help get better jobs. |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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@T: I don't know how things are in the States, but in Europe, since the undergraduate studies were reduced from 4 to 3 years and are now considered just "a first stage" of a longer process, you can't really do much here with only a bachelor's degree.
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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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I voted 'Other'
Never went to college, never went to university, saw the way things were going in 1979, wen I left school & decided I'd be better off getting a job straight away; sent 'cold' letters to a number of local companies, banks etc & in 2 months started as a bank clerk. OK, I may not be the richest or most intelligent person here, but I'm a happy chappy ![]() Edited by Jim Garten - June 03 2010 at 07:07 |
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snobb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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Not everywhere - in many European countries undergraduate studies still continue 4 yrs. But I believe the situation on job's market depends on country you live/work. I lived and worked some years in Southern Europe, where higher education is not so popular, so any graduated person has a big advantage when searching a job (I am not speaking about MSc or PhD, just BA ). But in my country (ok, we are strongly above European average figures for people with University education) according to official statistics 60% of yesterday school pupils continue their education in Universities. As a result, undergraduated candidates are absolute norm, and MSc or PhD is some advantage ( depending on job though). Edited by snobb - June 03 2010 at 07:50 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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^ Yes, I was referring to the countries that are part of the so called "Bologna process". But even if they don't represent the whole Europe, I think they are a trend setting majority, and things will evolve in that direction.
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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High school. I was studying, but was too lazy to finish the BA degree. However, I have some plans to finish it this year or the next one - it's not easier to find a job, sometimes it's not even a better payed job, but it's easier and more convenient jobs that are available.
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JemJem714 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2010 Location: Midlands, UK Status: Offline Points: 111 |
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BSc. Hopefully MSc within the next 3 or 4 years when I can afford it.
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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The University of Errors.
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Help me I'm falling!
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Is "the school of life" an international expression or is it just in my language?
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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THe School of Hard Knocks
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Help me I'm falling!
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Ditto. The only thing I got as a university graduation present was a handshake from my dear old dad with him saying " and now for the hard part " . Man, was he ever right!
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YesFan72 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 25 2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3241 |
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Hehe I was typing quickly. I know how to spell professional. |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17250 |
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Was able to parlay a $5000 technical skill degree into a reasonable middle class existence. As was my brother. My sister is a HS graduate only, now making close to 6 figures. Our father dropped out in 8th grade and ended up securely in the middle class.
Our family has apparently skirted the requirement for expensive educational credentialism, for which I am grateful. I know most people are not so lucky. I sincerely wish all our young members here very good luck in navigating the confusing mess of the education system. These days especially, it must be very difficult with the competition for jobs. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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The Monodrone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Status: Offline Points: 4489 |
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I will have a High School Honors diploma in my hands as of tomorrow evening. : ) |
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Ha ha... Indeed! After a while I found I was more interested in creating than being critical of others works :P Now I'm looking for volunteer work in galleries and am waiting on a responses from our National Sound and Film archives about the possibility of casual work (could be waiting a little while tho'). ----------------- It is the same here in Australia, a bachelor degree means little more than a piece of paper, so if your interested in specialization you'll be spending a while in uni. If your looking for general government work, more often than not they don't care what the degree is in, but are more interested in the fact you were able to show a certain amount of aptitude by stick out the duration of the degree. |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17250 |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Lord Garth, Master Of The Universe.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Well this really gets strange, I am also applying for volunteer work! ![]() ![]() We must be antipode twin destinies! ![]() The bad thing in France is that the "volunteering" concept is completely unknown, unlike in the anglo-saxon cultures. All museums and art institutions are public institutions and abide the law, which doesn't specify volunteering, only internship. And interns need to be students of some sort and to have a "educational project" (with a supervisor) that requires an internship, a contract between the institution, the school and the student ne to be signed etc etc ![]() So I'll most likely apply at private galleries next. Now from these guys I would expect a "normal" answer to the question "hey would you like to have some work done for free?" ![]()
That's nice, many European countries are different. For example, in such countries as France (where I live) or Romania (where I come from) (but also Greece, Italy, etc.), if you want to work in the cultural domain most jobs are in the public sector, and "papers" (degrees) are mandatory, so different to other countries where they're interested in your actual competences. |
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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ha ha.... I love coincidences like this! 'tis a shame about the situation in France. In my town nearly all tour guides in cultures institutions are volunteers. So they are a vital part of the system. They even educate these volunteers. Here is some light reading if your interested in the setup: http://nga.gov.au/Visiting/guides.html Unfortunately I don't like people so there goes that option out the window :P Out of interest, if you are able to get work in the small private galleries, would this hold you in good stead for getting a 'degree' job in a higher institution, if that is the avenue your interested in. So, would someone with hands on experience be taken in preference over a freshman out of uni with a bit of paper? This is just of some personal interest to me, as in the future France would be a country I'd be interested to work in. I can understand your frustration in regards to internships. I nearly had a professor signing me off for our local contemporary space, to start work on project. Thought I'd try my luck by talking my way into it without a degree. Had a long chat about my ideas for sound installations; I had him nodding his head to my tune, and they found my knowledge on the subject intriguing, and was willing to sign me up there and then. But, then ask what the degree I'd finish was. f**k! Oh, sh*t, I'm derailing another thread with my digressions. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Bachelor of Science.
I also have a teaching qualification (the lowest level). |
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