Bjork?

maybe in general she's not prog, but Medulla album is prog, and there's no doubt about it

so what? this encyclopedia is an infallible bible? I'm not saying she should be listed here, but those who scream she has nothing to do with prog, should listen to Medulla.

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: http://www.gepr.net/bandlist.html shes not listed here!

But she is here: http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/artistdir.asp?country=Iceland ... though not assigned to any subgenre.

But this is Prog Archives, not Avant-Garde Archives! (Although I think Stockhausen would fit here better than Björk.)

Dean wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: Diamanda Galas is here, WHY NOT HER? ;-) There is a comparison????

Yes, they are both very scary in their own way.

Wiktor Hatif wrote: Noone is infallible! Plus, the archive like that will never be COMPLETE, because it's impossible to get to know every little artist since 1970. What kind of attitude is this? "Bjork is not progressive because she's not listed there" - that's not an argument AT ALL.

Whos arguing? I am stating a fact. She is only listed on certin prog sites cos they dont know how to label her. She is alternative for sure. Prog is not alternative and I have heard nothing from Bjork to consider her as prog. I would never agree to her being prog as when I hear prog and I have heard an incredible amount it is definitive and undisputable, no matter what subgenre. Bjork is way differnt and falls into the same category as Yoko Ono or Scott Walker - very diverse, unique and alternative.

I don't know her well enough to really support her or discount her for PA, but I do expect she has merit for PA for Medulla.  The highly useful prog website babyblaue-setten categories different albums of hers in different ways (some as art pop for instance), but lists her Medulla. Homogenic Live and Post Live in their New Art Rock category (along with various acts albums we have in PA, including one I added to Crossover, Zeitammu's Miroque): http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&genrecont=43

GEPR does not include Zeittaimu in its database nor many that are in PA (not just those that are included in the "non-Prog" -- as it's sometimes referred to -- category of Prog Related, but also in our Prog categories.

GEPR is very incomplete, but I do notice that it has various acts that I've wanted in PA (some that I've suggested) that did not get into PA.

Every website works a little differently with different categorisations (PA has Prog and non-Prog categories).  And frankly, though we have a multitude of categories and our own parameters, we often don't know or agree on how to classify things.  One of my problems with the thinking here sometimes is because we end up classifying acts themselves for the site rather than on the album level (an artist can often be categorised in various different ways from album to album and quite often even when it comes to individual albums and of course different individuals classify in different ways.  What is progressive rock or progressive rock-related enough to me for PA inclusion may not be to you).  No one in particular here holds the ultimate truth when it comes to that.  Some are more inclusive than others, and different people have different parameters for what to include and exclude.  I'm more inclusive than most in some ways, and more exclusive than many in other ways, but it's important not to be easily dismissive of other's viewpoints and recognise that different perspectives and opinions can be just as valid as one's own.

Anyway, I was quite impressed with what I heard of Medulla, but my Bjork fandom is most limited to her role in Dancer in the Dark (Lars von Trier fan here).

By the looks of it, some people will probably become annoyed at me reviving this thread.  I have only posted a few times on here in general, but I was extremely surprised to not find Bjork here.  In fact, it was only until I saw Tori Amos was on the site that I even thought to check.  I thought, "Lol, Tori Amos on a prog site, that's fine and dandy, but I bet Bjork is surely on here and already inducted then because the nature of her music is far more avant-garde and progressive than Tori Amos."  That alone, however, is not enough to warrant an induction however.  If I could use a specific quote under Coheed and Cambria's page for example, "..one must keep in mind that the true spirit of progression is taking an already established musical idea and expanding it to create something that is new and unique."  That is something that Bjork has done.  She has taken pop, "electrified" it, has combined it with jazz, symphonic elements, and even weird a capella experimentation.  That in spirit is what prog did to rock in the late 60s.  That is why the tag "progressive pop" can make sense, only by spirit, because at first glance it seems like a contradiction, because prog more often than not strays away from popular music's elements.  I have ALWAYS seen Bjork tagged as "progressive pop"  on various sites that acknowledge the genre, and have no clue why she isn't at least related or something.  In fact, I think she has to be crossover, as does Kate Bush, if only because Tori Amos is there.  They display a higher degree of sophistication and at least creative complexity in my opinion, which the former is just seen as a common motif in crossover acts.  Even if I use a site like rateyourmusic.com, which I think quite a few people on this site use, as a reference on genres, people have voted progressive pop as a secondary genre on one of Tori Amos album, no primary on any.  As for Kate Bush, she has it as a secondary on all of her albums, and a primary on two of them.  Bjork has it as a secondary on all but her debut, and a primary on three. I mean no harm to Tori Amos, because I do enjoy her music very much, but seriously, Kate Bush isn't part of the main umbrella, Bjork isn't even on the edge, and Tori is safely in.  This makes no sense to me whatsoever.  I would be fine with all three in related or crossover...

^^ That is all good. Personally I believe with the exception of her debut, each album Bjork released became more and more progressive

Edited by Chris S - August 18 2010 at 04:38

Looks like we might want to add an Icelandic entry to the Crosover evaluation charts...?