Gilmour vs. Fripp

Captain Clutch wrote: The-time-is-now wrote: Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring. Think you've got that backwards bud

DT-PT wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: yanch wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: yanch wrote: Roj M30 wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.   tosh. Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.  Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing. Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing. Nothing corny or drivelly about it. Music IS emotional! String bending is an art and a technical aspect of playing and Gilmour is a master of it. Both of these gentleman are master players, their playing styles are very different, their writing styles are very different, but I find Gilmour's playing more enjoyable. That said, I also appreciate and listen to the playing of MANY other guitar players and all of them play with and bring EMOTION to their playing! I'm partial to the views espoused by Brian Eno and David Byrne. In their estimation, music is not an expression of emotion but, rather, a generator. When a sap like Gilmour showboats the same tried-and-true pony trick, all I can do is roll my eyes at that sorry attempt at crowd pleasing.   Must not be a sorry attempt if it works.

It's about as hokey and cliche as Mariah Carey overdoing a note.

It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it.

Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.

Captain Clutch wrote: The-time-is-now wrote: Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring. Think you've got that backwards bud

rpe9p wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it. Pure cheese, and not even the good kind. So?  All of these people are talking about personal preference, do you really think you are going to logic them out of liking certain music?  Most people listen to music because it makes them feel a certain way, not because it allows them to feel smug about their superior taste

Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.

The-time-is-now wrote: Captain Clutch wrote: The-time-is-now wrote: Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring. Think you've got that backwards bud Sorry, I don't understand that. What does 'backwards bud' mean ? (I'm from Belgium)

"bud" is just either an affectionate term to refer to a friend as, or a way to refer to someone towards whom you are indignant

WalterDigsTunes wrote: Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.

So the guitar is the only instrument capable of "making things happen?" That's quite close-minded.

what a question.
A choice between spacey explosion and neurotic implosion.
And both genius at what they do.

I'll go with Gilmour now. Already voted for Fripp in another poll.
There's got to be balance.

^ Those who know about him anyway.  Guitar players from bands like Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium (aka 90% of bands featured in Guitar World magazine) are what the majority of today's youth are associated with... they've probably never even heard of Fripp or even King Crimson for that matter.

Fripp - more adventurous, more experimental, more intellectual, more soundscapes / Frippertronics. Fripp hates blues in KC / prog. He is extremely innovative.

Gilmour - on of the few prog rock guitar players who use the blues, quite unique. most others vary their influences from country jazz (Chet Atkins for Steve Howe for example.) Pre DSOM DG was quite the experimental guiatr player and all those epics with nary a bluesy solo on them. His bluesy style may be repetitive and yes he knows it gets to people with that Comfortably Numb mode.

They are both very different musicians who make still challenging music. For all their commercial success most of Floyd's albums are very experimental. Most of the cash is derived from Dark Side and The Wall as far as the gen. public seem to be concerned. Both albums had single smashes that lit the way...

I think as Fripp has more cerebral energy might tip the hat in his favour (for me) but DG and his first and third solo album (discounting the ones he did with under the PF flag) are evergreens.

Both release way too many live albums although KC's Nashville 2000 is deserving way more than a KC club release. The Gdansk set from DG had far too many release / expense variations and for me is the worst type of formatting for fans to fork out for...  RW's live In The Flesh album is much more the decent thing as an inexpensive audio / visual release.

But Fripp is more inspired as a writer (DG is a little challenged here...although On An Isalnd to me is heavenly,) Fripp invented a new tuning, he has his Crafty League and he had his punk funk band., . Both did great session work (DG doing what he does) Fripp doing whatever will makke a greta song even gretaer (heroes.) Oddly I prefer Bowie's to KC's cKover.

So.... Fripp.