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el böthy
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Posted: March 31 2010 at 19:23 |
My two favorite guitarist, but Fripp is well ahead!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 31 2010 at 20:08 |
Page still at almost 26%.. a near upset in Progland !
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Tengent
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Posted: April 08 2010 at 10:23 |
Page is very good at composing with acoustic guitars. Fripp is very good at composing with ... anything.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 08 2010 at 11:17 |
Sorry, couldn't possibly compare 2 of my favorite guitarists:
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Yessdude
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:25 |
fripp is underrated .. so is page xd
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progpositivity
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 18:04 |
Nothing against Page, and he did have a little Progginess in him from time to time... but if he defeats Fripp
I will immediately cancel my membership with PA.
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:57 |
^ Don't worry, that won't ever happen. Now, if you made the same question anywhere not a prog site, the answer would be very different. I fear it wouldn't even be a big "I prefer Page over Fripp" by the majority, but a "Who is Fripp?" by the majority.
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billy bob weible
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 03:53 |
what kinda question is this
pages solos were choppy
mostly pentatonic
not very unique
anyone could master his style if they give it a couple years
frip is a god
only the elite even try to master his style
and most fail
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"How I wish that the world had just one throat and my fingers were around it"- idiot flesh
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Hoodlum
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:37 |
Page is good for sure. But Fripp is just mindblowing.
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TODDLER
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:53 |
Fripp has an old school jazz style mastered in 2 areas. The phrasing of the left hand and the alternate picking technique of the right hand. He did study with an older jazz guitarists when he was young. He also has an amazing right hand finger picking style and has indulged in classical pieces. He is such an amazing clean player and most likely has all of his life, corrected flaws of his own upon first sight.
Page on the other hand was a bit of a slacker. It hurts me to say that because his guitar work with the Yardbirds was decent. His lead electric guitar work with Zeppelin was choppy and for one reason or the other .....take notice of how he refuses to block the guitar strings with his right or even left hand, causing everything to ring out like sloppy distorted noise which hails over the one string in particular that he is playing lead on. "Heartbreaker" in particular. But then again, I heard a recording of Page playing straight and clean at Sonny Boy Williamson sessions in the early 60's and it didn't sound at all like the Jimmy Page we all know from the Zep camp. He was very precise and not choppy in any sense. He mastered various finger picking techniques on acoustic along with his vast knowledge on ethnic open tunings. There is no doubt in my mind that he could have mastered the technical side of guitar playing but for some reason lost much of his dexterity as the years progressed on. Maybe when he was very young and doing session work his playing was of an outstanding nature. Jeff Beck studied with Jimmy Page years ago and it seems that whatever Page was teaching students did not remain with him as a learning tool and he regressed as a player.
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boo boo
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Posted: May 16 2010 at 02:17 |
You know that old phrase, apples and oranges? Well this is more like bananas and watermelons.
I can't choose. And please don't knock on Page for being sloppy. He played for Led Zeppelin not a symphony orchestra, everyone in Zep were extremely talented but technical proficiency is not what they were about. It's better to throw a little slop in when it's rock n roll.
Edited by boo boo - May 16 2010 at 02:22
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ko
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 06:29 |
progpositivity wrote:
Nothing against Page, and he did have a little Progginess in him from time to time... but if he defeats Fripp
I will immediately cancel my membership with PA. |
+1
Edited by ko - May 17 2010 at 06:30
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Progist
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 14:40 |
I love Fripp, that's all I gotta say
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AerosolKid74
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Posted: May 20 2010 at 14:09 |
Don't like Page, he's alright but could he play Lark's Tongues in Aspic, he can't be compared to Fripp
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silcir
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Posted: May 21 2010 at 05:57 |
This was quite hard, but i went for Page in the end, Zeppelin takes the cake!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: May 21 2010 at 18:21 |
Page was sloppy sometimes for the lifestyle of rock musicians who climb to the superstardom.
Fripp on the other hand is a very regimental guy not only guitarrist but guy.
Page are flamboyant on Stage, Fripp is always sitting quietly playing his guitar, so it's easy not to be sloppy when you are sitting.
For example let see the Famous acoustic side of Zeppelin, did Page was sloppy ? i think not.
So it's hard to compare two guitarrist that had different approach to the music.
I wonder how many of you have listen to live recordings of KC in the 70's, for example i hear the Plumptom Festival in 1969, (check the epitaph cd's 3 and 4) and the way Fripp plays his guitar is sometimes sloppy.
Edited by Alberto Muñoz - May 21 2010 at 18:26
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TODDLER
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 14:36 |
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
Page was sloppy sometimes for the lifestyle of rock musicians who climb to the superstardom.
Fripp on the other hand is a very regimental guy not only guitarrist but guy.
Page are flamboyant on Stage, Fripp is always sitting quietly playing his guitar, so it's easy not to be sloppy when you are sitting.
For example let see the Famous acoustic side of Zeppelin, did Page was sloppy ? i think not.
So it's hard to compare two guitarrist that had different approach to the music.
I wonder how many of you have listen to live recordings of KC in the 70's, for example i hear the Plumptom Festival in 1969, (check the epitaph cd's 3 and 4) and the way Fripp plays his guitar is sometimes sloppy.
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Jimmy Page often held his guitar close to his knee caps. The fact that many of his finger stretching methods were technical to play is what caused him problems when performing live. He would try to do something that he understood the science of but displayed sloppiness. Playing the guitar low to the knee area takes away from your dexterity in the arm motion and picking hand. Rock N' Roll is the art of imperfection but there are also things called practices Muddy Waters or even Chuck Berry are often placed in this category dismissing the fact that much of what they did was perfected.You have to do both and at the right time. I had thought in Page's situation that the knee cap level was the reason until I heard the studio version of "Heartbreaker"
My deal is that I heard his playing with Sonny Boy Williamson in 64' and then decent stuff with the Yardbirds. Then when I heard Heartbreaker....I was turned off by the sound and style of his playing.....Plain and simple....he sounded like a 12 year old guitar student who was frustrated with the Pentatonic scale. It's just an observation out of interest over the years. No big deal. Every musician has flaws of some kind but, Page is often defended in this area without honest explanation as to what was going on with his inability to block strings while playing.
It is easier to play something on guitar while sitting but, then again it depends on what you are playing. As to why Page became this way is a mystery. Many folks just do not hear it or feel comfortable discussing it. But if you've played his songs for years, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. It';s not a cut against Page, as I said before....he was well schooled and gave lessons to Jeff Beck.....he had mastered acoustic guitar styles and was impeccable at that. He was friends with Sandy Denny in Art school for Christ Sake and probably jammed or worked with some great guitarists through her connection. He was a strange bird because he would write something like.....a signature passage with long stretches and either just getting out the notes or slopping it up causing it to sound like a train wreck. This was only on electric guitar. Then he would pick up the acoustic at a Zep show and blow my mind for about 15 minutes. Figure that one out? It's a bit like Jimi Hendrix at Isle of Wight where the guitar is so out of tune and his solo's suffer from weakness of the hand. He is so great to me on Electric Ladyland but then on Isle of Wight he sounds a bit destroyed. Like with Page and all the electric solos that he did pull off in the studio, I would back in the 70's work to perfection but,....then I would see him live and he would slop it up almost everytime.I'm just being honest ....I could never understand that reality. Maybe he was drinking Jack Daniels? .
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Malve87
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Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:38 |
AerosolKid74 wrote:
Don't like Page, he's alright but could he play Lark's Tongues in Aspic, he can't be compared to Fripp |
Well I voted Fripp, but could Fripp play "Since I've been Loving You" without sounding like a robot?
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TODDLER
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 08:40 |
Malve87 wrote:
AerosolKid74 wrote:
Don't like Page, he's alright but could he play Lark's Tongues in Aspic, he can't be compared to Fripp |
Well I voted Fripp, but could Fripp play "Since I've been Loving You" without sounding like a robot?
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If you study guitar for 40 years, hear every live K,C, recording, play almost every Fripp solo available to you, ......you would most certainly have the logical impression that Fripp will not and cannot play the blues Just how true is that? Even the experienced player does not know for sure...as Fripp might shock us all one day! To me,....the bluesy feel of Fripp turns up on the David Bowie Berlin period recordings.You can feel Fripp's soul in those solo's of his....which differ from K.C. His first bad break or bad impression with the blues was his dreadful experience in his youth when Boz, Wallace, and Collins wanted to turn K.C into a blues or R&B outfit. Fripp having knowledge of jazz guitar fits in occasionally but not with the style of blues the other 3 members of the Islands camp desired to play..
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 08:44 |
I think Fripp would do a great "Since I've Been Loving You" version, but a very different one, colder, more melancholic, though not necessarily less intense
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