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I can buy a Stylophone and have a Bowie moment in our Magma band.
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Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:


Not "so much better than..." I mean, of course the first release was wonderful - one can't make not great music suddenly great, no matter how good you are. One has to [as a listener] care for fidelity of course, but if you do, the difference is quite powerful, and moving imo. It's the same music obviously, but it's just much richer,much deeper. It reaches a sublimity that -  I don't know how to say it. I mean it was there before, this just really pushed it over the edge for me. You can feel it, literally, deeper within your body. [Well, I did anyway. ;)]
I understand, improved sound is always refreshing to say the least. The thing is that the old release was already perfect music and nearly perfect sound (to my ears). Now I guess the sound is as perfect as the music :)

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Most likely, yeah. LOL  I also need a long time to get good enough at bass to learn their works, though.  Did you see over on the Kohntarkosz blog they made the piano/vocal sheet music for MDK available?
Yeah, I already got it. I'd personally prefer chord notation and then picking notes out of the chords (rather than standard notation). MDK's piano section isn't that complex, I really think I can play that Cool (can't promise the same for Wurdah Itah, Kohntarkosz and Theusz Hamtaahk, it's really complex stuff, I'd need chord notation at least)
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

zeuhl band?  i can play drums poorly, or stand there and look menacing.  either way.

If you can also shriek like a recently-insulted banshee, that could help. Tongue
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Listening to Beefheart Mirror man right now and being reminded of how amazing it is. Anyone else out there feels as if it is possibly the closest we might ever get to Progressive southern delta blues?
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Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

zeuhl band?  i can play drums poorly, or stand there and look menacing.  either way.

If you can also shriek like a recently-insulted banshee, that could help. Tongue


Like on Part I of K.A.? LOL

That makes me giggle and I don't think it's supposed to...
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

shriek like a recently-insulted banshee, that could help. Tongue


Like on Part I of K.A.? LOL

That makes me giggle and I don't think it's supposed to...
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;) But how can you not at their hyper-self-seriousness?! It's cool of course, but rather tinged w/ a note of silly very over-the-top-ness often, intentional or not ;) [am i sinning here? You opened the door James ;) -]

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I've always admitted that there's something slightly ridiculous about Magma - for me that's part of the appeal. I suspect that even Christian Vander has the odd fit of the giggles after making some especially apocalyptic announcement in Kobaian (not an image that springs easily to mind, I know). If they weren't so completely, utterly over the top they'd fall flat on their faces - they succeed so brilliantly because they're well aware of how far to go and they insist on going even further.
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to the already rich among us...'

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That one bit on KA I is the only part that still makes me laugh. LOL
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I've always admitted that there's something slightly ridiculous about Magma - for me that's part of the appeal. I suspect that even Christian Vander has the odd fit of the giggles after making some especially apocalyptic announcement in Kobaian (not an image that springs easily to mind, I know).


LOL!

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:


If they weren't so completely, utterly over the top they'd fall flat on their faces - they succeed so brilliantly because they're well aware of how far to go and they insist on going even further.


Exactly mon cher - you got it!

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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

That one bit on KA I is the only part that still makes me laugh. LOL


But who is it doing it?

I don't know how to describe it either.  Is it a wail, is it a scream, is it a wailing scream?

All I know is it makes me very amused.  I am hoping one day that I stop at a traffic light when that part comes on.  I'm also hoping to get weird looks.
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1. But who is it doing it?

2. I don't know how to describe it either.  Is it a wail, is it a scream, is it a wailing scream?

All I know is it makes me very amused.  I am hoping one day that I stop at a traffic light when that part comes on.  I'm also hoping to get weird looks.
1. On concerts, Himiko performs it. This part and K.A.II's ending are my favorite parts on the album.

2. Neigh?

As much as I love K.A., it's still far from Magma's best album and E-Re is much stronger IMO.
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I'll have to check the album liner notes to see if it is Himiko or not.  I thought it may have been Stella.

Of course, Himiko is no longer with the band (she's with Trap) so how will they perform K.A. in the future?
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^ In the live shows it was Himiko with Antoine uhm... 'singing' that bit. Guess it's the same on the studio version.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

I'll have to check the album liner notes to see if it is Himiko or not.  I thought it may have been Stella.

Not sure who's doing it - but as for classifying the noise in question, I'd call it 'ululation'. Tongue

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I've always admitted that there's something slightly ridiculous about Magma - for me that's part of the appeal. I suspect that even Christian Vander has the odd fit of the giggles after making some especially apocalyptic announcement in Kobaian (not an image that springs easily to mind, I know). If they weren't so completely, utterly over the top they'd fall flat on their faces - they succeed so brilliantly because they're well aware of how far to go and they insist on going even further.

I agree - the bizarrerie/silliness is a major apart of the appeal, and it needs the (semi-?)seriousness to work.  Goofiness doesn't really mix with Zeuhl, but 100% total seriousness would cancel out the light-hearted moments and danceability!  It's sad that not many people do flamboyance/eccentricity/mysteriousness too well these days.  I kind of wish I'd been around in the 'cape-wearing and portentous pronouncements' era... Tongue

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Of course, Himiko is no longer with the band (she's with Trap) so how will they perform K.A. in the future?

They may not bother to perform it at all - unless they decided to present the entire E-Re trilogy in concert someday.  I imagine they'd just draft in a few extra female singers.  Anyway, I'm far more curious to know whether more (new?) recorded work might emerge in future. Smile

On a different topic entirely, Present's 'Barbaro (ma non troppo)' or UZ's 'Clivages'?  Which one should I stick on the ol' birthday wish-list?  (Don't say 'both' - I'm trying to keep it short and sweet! LOL)
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

So what's the hot new avant-prog outfit these days?
Not quite avant-prog, but while I don't own them, I really liked what I heard from the new Little Women, Yuganaut, and Nels Cline Singers.
Originally posted by Apsalar Apsalar wrote:

  KK null's band Absolut Null Punkt might be worthwhile listening to some samples, but from memory your not the biggest fan of drum's?? (or am I thinking of someone else?) 

Maybe, we could start up another thread in the general music discussion if you were interested in continuing such discussions? As I feel like I'm derailing this thread with random interjections.  
No, that's definitely somebody else. How could somebody dislike drums though!?

Yeah, I'm going to start an electroacoustic/noise thread once I listen to some albums and have something to say. I recently got a bunch of Erstwhiles.
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And Henners, I don't dislike AMMMusic.  I quite like it.  But it is hard to conquer, yes.
Sorry, I didn't mean to misrepresent you. I remember you posting that it sounded like a bunch of deranged kitchen appliances, but maybe you got over that (or it was a compliment?).
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Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:

[QUOTE=Syzygy] I've always admitted that there's something slightly ridiculous about Magma - for me that's part of the appeal. I


I tend to agree to that...





































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I want a Magma Kaftan!
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^^ CAPTION COMPETITION!!  It has to be done.  (Possibly in a new thread, of course...)

I have to laugh when I see a picture of Vander with facial hair.  He looks like a pirate. LOL  You don't often see him smiling in photos, either, so the one with the cheesy grin is quite a rarity! Big smile

James, I am most thankful that you would consider the kaftan rather than the tight sparkly purple trousers. Dead LOL
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I've always wanted a Kaftan and a Magma one would be fantastic!

As for which album to buy... I'd go for Present's one myself as it features a DVD as well.  I realise it has a cover of Jack the Ripper on it and thus only features two new tracks but I prefer it to Clivages personally.
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I mean the Kaftan (if that's what it is) in the first photo.  I do like the other one too, though.
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