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Winning this election is like being awarded pestilence. I don't think the government and the parliament is in power these days. The market, that's me/you/a man in China/a man in Greece/a farmer in Iowa, is running this country now. And that too is democracy. I am actually influencing the UK elections too when I buy a two liter bottle of Pepsi Max instead of a bottle of Coca Cola. It is a matter of pennies ending up in this and that hedgefund who then again lend the money back again to UK.

The big day is coming next Friday when the UK debt crisis is getting worse and may lead to a meltdown of the UK finances. 

I think I will watch Yes Minister tonight instead of worrying about my job. I am not a front-line worker and therefore; I am an endangered animal. 


 

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Not that it matters much (we'll be having another General Election within 18 months), but Glegg has to go with the side that gives him the greatest slice of power, which is the coalition that has the most commanding majority - a lib-lab coalition will only give a ~10-seat majority - that is not enough to survive a non-confidence vote - siding with the "enemy" will give a 90-seat buffer which will enable Lib-Dem policies and policy-consessions to go through with less rsistance and lower risk of rejection - it will also give the coalition more chance of (not success) but of lasting more than a few months..
 
 


If they cannot decide on any coalition, there could be an election sooner rather than later.  The Tories would probably win an overall majority, I should think.

So a coalition needs to be formed (well, in my opinion, as I'm anti-Tory).

Actually, Dean, even if there is a Lib-Lab pact I am still not sure they'd form a majority.  They'd need the SNP and some others too, to form an alliance.
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Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Not that it matters much (we'll be having another General Election within 18 months), but Glegg has to go with the side that gives him the greatest slice of power, which is the coalition that has the most commanding majority - a lib-lab coalition will only give a ~10-seat majority - that is not enough to survive a non-confidence vote - siding with the "enemy" will give a 90-seat buffer which will enable Lib-Dem policies and policy-consessions to go through with less rsistance and lower risk of rejection - it will also give the coalition more chance of (not success) but of lasting more than a few months..
 
 


If they cannot decide on any coalition, there could be an election sooner rather than later.  The Tories would probably win an overall majority, I should think.

So a coalition needs to be formed (well, in my opinion, as I'm anti-Tory).

Actually, Dean, even if there is a Lib-Lab pact I am still not sure they'd form a majority.  They'd need the SNP and some others too, to form an alliance.
Oh no doubt, in a re-election the Tories will win outright and they know it, even if Labour have a new leader.
 
The SNP is a socialist party - (though they have been called Tartan Tories Wink). But like the Lib-dems, they will side with whatever party can form a government - there's no point in being part of the shadow government in a coalition.
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 

It's a lot easier to influence a government when you're in it than it is from the opposition benches. The Lib-Dems may just be able to restrict some of the Tory excesses that we've come to expect and distrust from them - a Tory government with a few liberal socialist brakes and controls isn't such a bad thing..
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I voted for the Birthday Party.  Clown
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 

It's a lot easier to influence a government when you're in it than it is from the opposition benches. The Lib-Dems may just be able to restrict some of the Tory excesses that we've come to expect and distrust from them - a Tory government with a few liberal socialist brakes and controls isn't such a bad thing..

Exactly my own thinking too............. 
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Wow, Labour actually seemed to do all right in the Council elections.  They even gained two seats in Swindon.

Plus in my Ward, they have overtaken Lib Dems into second place with this years candidate.


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Whoops, they only gained one seat in Swindon, my mistake.

Anyhow, are the Lib Dems and that almost hypocritical man Nick Clegg going to screw us over?

I'm not exactly a Lib Dem supporter but at least they're not Tory.  However, a Lib Dem/Tory deal would make me very angry indeed.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Whoops, they only gained one seat in Swindon, my mistake.

Anyhow, are the Lib Dems and that almost hypocritical man Nick Clegg going to screw us over?

I'm not exactly a Lib Dem supporter but at least they're not Tory.  However, a Lib Dem/Tory deal would make me very angry indeed.


Thinking pragmatically for a moment, I'd say it depends entirely on the details of such a deal. If it affords the Lib Dems an opportunity to push through a more progressive agenda on key issues such as taxation, education and political reform then it could be an extremely valuable and positive thing. IF, however, we end up with the Lib Dems propping up an exclusively Tory agenda in exchange for a couple of cabinet posts then I, too, will be very angry indeed. We shall have to wait and see...
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2010 at 08:58
It'll be the latter.

To be fair, if they side with the Tories and don't get Electoral Reform, then I will lose all respect for Clegg and the Lib Dems.

They need to push PR.

I almost signed that petition but didn't.  I may still do so...
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I fear for my life.

Both the Tories and the LibDems will swallow camels during the next hours and days to make this work in the interest of this country.

Expect to see me in Number 10 soon.............. on a plate.
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The people behind Saturday's protest which took the media (and Nick Clegg) by surprise: http://www.takebackparliament.com/
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2010 at 08:46
They may have taken him by surprise but it looks like he's going to ignore them.
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