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Joined: June 09 2004
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 16:56
Garion81 wrote:
Phil Collins as a solo artist no way. But he is here in two bands Genesis and Brand X. Thus he is respected for the prog he did, at one time, play. I don't see Dennis DeYoung here either but Styx is here. I think these two are related for this argument. Phil has created no prog as a solo Artist and neither has Dennis so they do not belong. He as member of two groups did produce prog and both of the groups are here.
I don't want to sound pedantic but he was also in Flaming Youth ( On this site), played on Camel, Peter Gabriel, Daryl Stuermer ( On this site), Peter & The Wolf ( On this site), Peter Banks, Brian Eno ( On this site), John cale ( On this site), David Hentschel ( Remember him?), Steve Hackett ( On this site), Anthony Phillips ( On this site), Robert Fripp , John Martyn ( On this site), Robert Plant, Mike Oldfield ( on this site), Al Di Meola, Paul McCartney, Tears For Fears, Eric Clapton, The Who ( On this site), Patrick Woodroffe and David Greenslade, Jack Lancaster & Robin Lumley, David crosby...............
But Seriously, what kind of credentials/resume does one require to be admitted to the PA Hall of Fame apart from the opinion of what is and what is not a prog album.
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Joined: May 22 2004
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 17:15
Chris S wrote:
^ It is simple as far as opinions go. I believe Face Value is a prog album, as was Shapes, Abacab and Invisible Touch whether they went in a pop/AOR direction or not.
I think it is clear that the majority here would not agree with yours. Face Value is a good pop/rock album but nothing more in my mind. I don't hear anything remotely proggy/fusion sounding music that Phil had done before or anything that broke any new ground unless you think cymbal less drums did that.
As for the others you mentioned it is irrelevant to even debate them since Genesis would have here based on their albums from Trespass to Wind and Wuthering (I would go to Duke but some of us wouldn't) and these albumsand also including From Genesis to Revelation would have been included as well.
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 17:57
Garion81 wrote:
Chris S wrote:
^ It is simple as far as opinions go. I believe Face Value is a prog album, as was Shapes, Abacab and Invisible Touch whether they went in a pop/AOR direction or not.
I think it is clear that the majority here would not agree with yours. Face Value is a good pop/rock album but nothing more in my mind. I don't hear anything remotely proggy/fusion sounding music that Phil had done before or anything that broke any new ground unless you think cymbal less drums did that.
As for the others you mentioned it is irrelevant to even debate them since Genesis would have here based on their albums from Trespass to Wind and Wuthering (I would go to Duke but some of us wouldn't) and these albumsand also including From Genesis to Revelation would have been included as well.
wait, wait, wait a second... who cares about PC, YOU DON'T THINK GENESIS COULD BE INCLUDED WITH ABACAB TO WE CAN'T DANCE AS A SOLE BASIS?
Just because you include a pop track on a prog album doesn't mean its a pop album. Look, maybe Shock Treatment and Punch And Judy didn't get to the top of the charts, but they were AOR songs no less.
I dare you to deny those albums had major prog tracks; what about Home by the Sea/Second Home By The Sea, Domino, Fading Lights.... I mean... to start? And all the others which were hugely Prog but may have been slightly crossover.
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 11:32
Trouserpress wrote:
I'd always thought the idea of including Phil Collins on PA was ridiculous, but having seen this I'm starting to reconsider:
Seems like a dead cert for Avant-Prog!
is a rio-avant something over phill's ssstudio piece, something realy strange, and as far as I understand is something from eastern europe , language a la czech or serbian, russian. Is not Phill going mad, is that tune he is puted over Phils music is mad
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