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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:25
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
Well I'm sure some just pretend to like it to seem smart. However, I have theory about the seeming inverse correlation between book smarts and common sense/ social acumen.  I think that many of the really smart scientific types get that way by actually stealing processing power from the subconscious parts of the brain. Therefore, stuff that the average person would just pick up on automatically, escapes them. Of course, the fact I'm speaking in these terms probably means I'm dangerously close to this syndrome as well. As to the veracity of that supposition, no comment. Big smile


Oh and lots of men hate women, too, don't forget that. I think a few posters here have proved that. I personally think that the defining characteristics of each gender are determined more by society than morphology. Therefore, any inequality in differing areas of talent and perception can be attributed to upbringing, rather than an intrinsic lack of value.

I leave this post with a final quote: "The battle of the sexes will never be won. There's simply to much fraternizing with the enemy."


Edited by Deathrabbit - April 23 2010 at 17:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 18:52
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by sealchan sealchan wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
 
Or should we say socially simple-minded?  Wink

Is there a  difference? The "genius" who can't get more than cockroaches to listen to his nonsense is no more than the fool who speaks for a crowd... and the latter one will probably matter more in the end.

Let the little people think they're special because they listen to prog and have found out that women "are not smart"... Soon they'll realize how trivial, mundane, complete unoriginal they are and how dumber they look next to a clever, smart, prog-or-pop-or-sh*t-it-doesn't-matter-what-music-loving woman... 


I think you're being a little ridiculous, T. This thread is not an attack on women, and apart from one guy who said women were stupid (which may have been sarcasm, hard to tell) no one has said anything bad about them. Granted, I said they have terrible taste in music, but that's hardly a scathing criticism. Most people have terrible taste in something or another.

Point the second: No women have commented on this thread stating that they are offended, so why be so quick to jump to their defense? Clearly, they are not as bothered by this as you. In fact, most of the personal attacks in the thread have been by you, so don;t go calling the kettle black.

Personally, I find the differences between men and women fascinating and I think the thread is a very interesting one. The study (and I know calling this a study is a stretch) of psychology should not be suspended because someone might get their feelings hurt. Men and Women are psychologically different. Don't let political correctness stand in the way what every person with common sense has known since the dawn of time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:43
This isn't directed at you Mr Llama in any kind of rebuttal sort of way, but just an observation of the whole thread:

I don't think anyone is offended, but for myself, I think embarrassed is a better word for it, there is just something juvenile and naive about all this, hard to explain, just a gut reaction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:48
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

What's a female?  Confused

The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:58
It's a penis thang. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 20:56
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

This isn't directed at you Mr Llama in any kind of rebuttal sort of way, but just an observation of the whole thread:

I don't think anyone is offended, but for myself, I think embarrassed is a better word for it, there is just something juvenile and naive about all this, hard to explain, just a gut reaction.

Exactly. Llama, do you really think this thread was about starting "serious discussion" on the subject? I study psychology and have taken classes on the subject for christ's sake and never have I found a good way to start a scientific or serious discussion about a subject using so mature comments as the first posts did.... 

And yes, women don't react because they left this site long ago...  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:02
You guys are scary the SHEET out of me. If I ever had a long term partner I want her to be SMART, POLITICAL, CREATIVE, MAYBE LIKE THE RED SOX,

JUST LIKE ME (except for the creative part, unless you count the endless crap I do)

you guys are saying, and I quote

"women find politics, sports and music boring to talk about"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:32
Politcs ARE bolring; I am not interested in a "who's the biggest liar" contest.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:43
^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:50
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing...
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.LOL
Edit:  the male managers are no better.
2nd Edit: those who are desperately seeking to move up the corporate management chain, regardless of sex, are invariably back-stabbing, devious, and not to be trusted.

Edited by jammun - April 24 2010 at 00:53
Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:53
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing...
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.LOL
Edit:  the male managers are no better.


I think that since traditionally women have not had too much power, that when they get it they tend to go a little overboard. Kind of like a college kid binge drinking on their 21st birthday, whereas an older person has learned how to hold their liquor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:55
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing...
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.LOL
Edit:  the male managers are no better.


I think that since traditionally women have not had too much power, that when they get it they tend to go a little overboard. Kind of like a college kid binge drinking on their 21st birthday, whereas an older person has learned how to hold their liquor.
See my edits to my post.  The men are no better.
Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:57
Oh, well nevermind then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 01:05

As to the original topic:  my wife is not a huge prog fan.  She tends to like the melodic stuff, say The Moody Blues or The Decemberists.  She doesn't much care for the noisy stuff, say Arthur Brown or The Mars Volta.  Same holds true jazz-wise.  She likes Stan Getz (Getz/Gilberto) or John Coltrane's Ballads, but will not be found listening to Miles Davis' On The Corner. 

This is why God created headphones. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 01:21
I was serious when I posted the topic. When we were at the show last Sunday, my 20 year old son looked over to me and commented, "Look around Dad, it's all middle aged men here. I thought, hey, I'll present the question to Progarchives, hoping to stimulate an analytical discussion on why that is so. Forgive me, I am a newbie. There was no malice in the question, it was strickly based on observation. I certainly do not know the answer myself. Even early Genesis were puzzled that they only attracted male audiences for the most part, and that is well documented. This is not true in most other genres of music I might add. In hindsight, perhaps I should have stated the question this way, "Why did the Transatlantic concert attract so many middle aged men?" After reading many of these non intellectual, emotional, knee jerk replies, I have a feeling I would have pissd off some other demographic regardless of how I worded it. We are not solving world peace here. Everybody needs to take a chill pill!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 01:39
Well put Ethos, there was nothing wrong with your observations and i hope you'll continue to share them.  Some unfortunate responses were made by others, but that happens.  Stick aroundSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 03:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

This isn't directed at you Mr Llama in any kind of rebuttal sort of way, but just an observation of the whole thread:

I don't think anyone is offended, but for myself, I think embarrassed is a better word for it, there is just something juvenile and naive about all this, hard to explain, just a gut reaction.

Exactly. Llama, do you really think this thread was about starting "serious discussion" on the subject? I study psychology and have taken classes on the subject for christ's sake and never have I found a good way to start a scientific or serious discussion about a subject using so mature comments as the first posts did.... 

And yes, women don't react because they left this site long ago...  
 
 
I seem to remember a similar remark by a female collab from a couple of months ago. I guess this has probably been discussed already, so... what are the reasons? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 03:34
We all know Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Thats a fact.
 
mens view of WIFE:
 
Washing
Ironing
Food
Entertainment
 
the real truth====
Wholesome security
Intimate conversation
Feminine romance
Emotionally centred
 
 
and er... the female answer to MALE
 
Many
Articles
Left
Everywhere
 
and the real truth====
 
Masculinity reinforced
Adequacy reinforced
Leadership approved
Eros centred
 
A woman's needs:
caress her, care for her, squeeze her, please her, hug her, love her, dine her, wine her, tease her,
massage her, spoil her, touch her, romance her, help her, hold her, kiss her, talk to her....
 
 
A man's needs:
show up naked and bring beer! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 03:38
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Qboyy007 Qboyy007 wrote:

Women are too stupid to understand prog obviously, I have yet to meet a female with the mental capacity to understand music as deep as progressive rock.
 
That post shows your enlightened attitude to women even  better than your avatar!!! Just wait till Rachel reads this.

Prove that women are capable of listening to enlightened music and I'll change my mind. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2010 at 04:56
Originally posted by ReaganwillshottyLibs ReaganwillshottyLibs wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Qboyy007 Qboyy007 wrote:

Women are too stupid to understand prog obviously, I have yet to meet a female with the mental capacity to understand music as deep as progressive rock.
 
That post shows your enlightened attitude to women even  better than your avatar!!! Just wait till Rachel reads this.

Prove that women are capable of listening to enlightened music and I'll change my mind. 


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