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jammun
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:55 |
thellama73 wrote:
jammun wrote:
The T wrote:
^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing... |
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.
Edit: the male managers are no better. |
I think that since traditionally women have not had too much power, that when they get it they tend to go a little overboard. Kind of like a college kid binge drinking on their 21st birthday, whereas an older person has learned how to hold their liquor.
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See my edits to my post. The men are no better.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:53 |
jammun wrote:
The T wrote:
^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing... |
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.
Edit: the male managers are no better. |
I think that since traditionally women have not had too much power, that when they get it they tend to go a little overboard. Kind of like a college kid binge drinking on their 21st birthday, whereas an older person has learned how to hold their liquor.
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jammun
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:50 |
The T wrote:
^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing... |
Apparently you've never met the female managers I've had the pleasure of working for over the years.
Edit: the male managers are no better.
2nd Edit: those who are desperately seeking to move up the corporate management chain, regardless of sex, are invariably back-stabbing, devious, and not to be trusted.
Edited by jammun - April 24 2010 at 00:53
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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The T
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:43 |
^Men are usually more power-hungry than women... though society is changing...
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:32 |
Politcs ARE bolring; I am not interested in a "who's the biggest liar" contest.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 00:02 |
You guys are scary the SHEET out of me. If I ever had a long term partner I want her to be SMART, POLITICAL, CREATIVE, MAYBE LIKE THE RED SOX,
JUST LIKE ME (except for the creative part, unless you count the endless crap I do)
you guys are saying, and I quote
"women find politics, sports and music boring to talk about"
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 20:56 |
Easy Money wrote:
This isn't directed at you Mr Llama in any kind of rebuttal sort of way, but just an observation of the whole thread:
I don't think anyone is offended, but for myself, I think embarrassed is a better word for it, there is just something juvenile and naive about all this, hard to explain, just a gut reaction. |
Exactly. Llama, do you really think this thread was about starting "serious discussion" on the subject? I study psychology and have taken classes on the subject for christ's sake and never have I found a good way to start a scientific or serious discussion about a subject using so mature comments as the first posts did....
And yes, women don't react because they left this site long ago...
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moe_blunts
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:58 |
It's a penis thang.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:48 |
A Person wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
What's a female? |
The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time.
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Easy Money
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 19:43 |
This isn't directed at you Mr Llama in any kind of rebuttal sort of way, but just an observation of the whole thread:
I don't think anyone is offended, but for myself, I think embarrassed is a better word for it, there is just something juvenile and naive about all this, hard to explain, just a gut reaction.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 18:52 |
The T wrote:
sealchan wrote:
The T wrote:
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded? |
Or should we say socially simple-minded? |
Is there a difference? The "genius" who can't get more than cockroaches to listen to his nonsense is no more than the fool who speaks for a crowd... and the latter one will probably matter more in the end.
Let the little people think they're special because they listen to prog and have found out that women "are not smart"... Soon they'll realize how trivial, mundane, complete unoriginal they are and how dumber they look next to a clever, smart, prog-or-pop-or-sh*t-it-doesn't-matter-what-music-loving woman...
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I think you're being a little ridiculous, T. This thread is not an attack on women, and apart from one guy who said women were stupid (which may have been sarcasm, hard to tell) no one has said anything bad about them. Granted, I said they have terrible taste in music, but that's hardly a scathing criticism. Most people have terrible taste in something or another. Point the second: No women have commented on this thread stating that they are offended, so why be so quick to jump to their defense? Clearly, they are not as bothered by this as you. In fact, most of the personal attacks in the thread have been by you, so don;t go calling the kettle black. Personally, I find the differences between men and women fascinating and I think the thread is a very interesting one. The study (and I know calling this a study is a stretch) of psychology should not be suspended because someone might get their feelings hurt. Men and Women are psychologically different. Don't let political correctness stand in the way what every person with common sense has known since the dawn of time.
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Failcore
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:25 |
The T wrote:
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded? |
Well I'm sure some just pretend to like it to seem smart. However, I have theory about the seeming inverse correlation between book smarts and common sense/ social acumen. I think that many of the really smart scientific types get that way by actually stealing processing power from the subconscious parts of the brain. Therefore, stuff that the average person would just pick up on automatically, escapes them. Of course, the fact I'm speaking in these terms probably means I'm dangerously close to this syndrome as well. As to the veracity of that supposition, no comment.
Oh and lots of men hate women, too, don't forget that. I think a few posters here have proved that. I personally think that the defining characteristics of each gender are determined more by society than morphology. Therefore, any inequality in differing areas of talent and perception can be attributed to upbringing, rather than an intrinsic lack of value.
I leave this post with a final quote: "The battle of the sexes will never be won. There's simply to much fraternizing with the enemy."
Edited by Deathrabbit - April 23 2010 at 17:28
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04 |
Oh those...like Amy, Ace, Sarah Jane, Peri, etc. (sigh)...what was the question again?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04 |
sealchan wrote:
The T wrote:
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded? |
Or should we say socially simple-minded? |
Is there a difference? The "genius" who can't get more than cockroaches to listen to his nonsense is no more than the fool who speaks for a crowd... and the latter one will probably matter more in the end.
Let the little people think they're special because they listen to prog and have found out that women "are not smart"... Soon they'll realize how trivial, mundane, complete unoriginal they are and how dumber they look next to a clever, smart, prog-or-pop-or-sh*t-it-doesn't-matter-what-music-loving woman...
Edited by The T - April 23 2010 at 17:06
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A Person
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:00 |
The Doctor wrote:
What's a female? |
The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time.
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:59 |
What's a female?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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sealchan
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:32 |
The T wrote:
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded? |
Or should we say socially simple-minded?
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sealchan
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:30 |
I recommend, for some studies on women and how they tend to process knowledge, the book Women's Ways of Knowing. One generalization to come out of this work is that woman solve problems in a more collaborative way (sensitive to the perspectives/feelings of others) than men do. How I understand this is that men tend to prefer rules and if you break a rule well then you suck and who cares...things don't go your way, but that's cool. Women tend to be more willing to reconsider each situation if there is someone who is going to loose out even if that person bears some responsibility for their being "on the outs". But if you are always struggling against the group then you might "fall out" of the realm of consideration and be excluded. Of course this doesn't define how men or women think or act, it is more the "center" or "home" or "path of least resistance" that men or women have to start from. I suspect that intrasexual socialization holds the bulk of the responsibility for this difference between the sexes and not so much the natural or genetic makeup of the individual.
So in the spectrum of music does prog rock appeal less to a collaborative/socially oriented individual? Does music that speaks directly of relationships and/or is experienced through attending performances and/or can be danced to along with others and/or is "popular" of more interest to women because it plays to their socialized preferences for knowing?
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 14:09 |
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
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CPicard
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 13:24 |
Again? Well, some things don't change, do they?
Funnily, it reminds that I will attend the concerts of some free-jazz female musicians next week. Not "prog" enough, maybe...
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