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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:33
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
Flawless, no.
 
Some women like prog. Some men don't.


Yes, but generally

Its a social thing, not a music thing. Women could like Prog, but the social pressure is to not like it, or rather to like some other thing.

How can women get together with their friends and talk about the Delicate Sound of Thunder like I can with people I know? From when I was a boy I could discuss PF with other men. Could a girl do the same, except by going across the boundaries of gender norms?

(What a weird sounding bunch o' lines)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:37
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

 
Case in point:  every female teacher I've ever had (and most non-teaching women I've met) says "tempature," which isn't a word.  They also say things like i-urn (instead of iron).
People don't pronounce things the same way you do!? CLEARLY THEY ARE RETARDED!
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Everyone knows that women have terrible taste in music. Diana Krall? Avril Lavigne? Tori Amos? Lily Allen? The list goes on and on. Honestly, you could say the same thing about almost any genre of music that is considered good. I don't have data on thisother than my own experience,
This is incredibly stupid. Carla Kihlstedt? Okkyung Lee? Satoko Fujii? Sylvie Courviousier? Ikue Mori? Marnie Stern? P-we? Carla Bley? Laurie Anderson? Evelyn Glennie? Susie Ibarra? Dagmar Krause? Leslie Flannigan? That annoying woman from Thinking Plague? That's just off the top of my head, and except for the last two they're all semi-famous in their respective fields. I'm sure I could find more if I looked.

Maybe Transatlantic can only drawn the aging men, but the concerts at The Stone that I went to and the Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann gigs had fairly mixed audiences. And a lot of them were much older than you would expect.
Quote but I would bet that few women listen to Jazz or Classical music compared to men. On the other hand, I bet fewer women listen to Rap as well, so they score a point there.
This is completely wrong! You're making wild assumptions based on nothing! Look at how many women there are here! If we're going to base things off stereotypes, I would say that women are more likely than men to like classical music because it is relaxing and men want RAGE AGGRESSION.

I know it's a meme, and I know it's said every time we do this, but THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
 
Totally agree with Henry... I didn't think you were actually talking seriously about this... but man... any woman can actually do the same about some Male "composers" or musicians... you know... Tori Amos is better than most of males in composition... I mean, you can like her or not, but she is very talented and her understanding of music is very superior and I don't think you can actually make songs better than hers... and I tell you, I can't and I am a dedicated musician...
 
Now, to the topic... I think the real reason is that women are more sensitive than men, and I don't mean that they only appreciate love songs, but they understand music not in metric and time signatures but in feeling and emotions... My bandmates are girls and to every single riff or phrase that I show to them they interpret emotions more than what cool figure I'm doing but most of the time they are right about what I feel or felt when I compose those phrases. And that's cool because or songs makes a lot more of sense, which I don't have, I'm too cold to have that perception...
 
Of course there are less women than man in this site... but there are very good at it... Raff is a key example...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:43
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
Flawless, no.
 
Some women like prog. Some men don't.


Yes, but generally

Its a social thing, not a music thing. Women could like Prog, but the social pressure is to not like it, or rather to like some other thing.

How can women get together with their friends and talk about the Delicate Sound of Thunder like I can with people I know? From when I was a boy I could discuss PF with other men. Could a girl do the same, except by going across the boundaries of gender norms?

(What a weird sounding bunch o' lines)
 
That's not an accurate thought man... Women don't talk about music as men do... they talk in a more sensitive way and they even don't care to talk about music... they talk about more important things to them... Generally, as you say, women find politics, sports and music boring to talk about... and they are right, actually... is not that they don't like it, but is boring for them to "talk" about it... tell me, what interesting can be talk about a great solo... you know, no matter what you thought about it, the solo exists wether you like it or not... so... maybe for us is completely boring watching a chickflick but actually they like it because there you see more emotions and less thoughts...
 
Men are boring... I do feel sorry for the girls that actually have to fall in love with us... they are more interesting than us... that's for sure...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:13
I'm sorry but after reading to some of the posts on this thread I have but to agree that stupidity is the main ingredient necessary to be nerdy, socially-isolated, misogynist prog-rock fan.... 

Yes, right, women don't like VDGG so they're stupid. Well Mr Wiseguy, women are kicking men's asses in symphonic orchestras' enrollment all around the world. Maybe they prefer BETTER music? Oh go ahead and believe that little prog rock is the ultimate test for intelligence.... 

Stonebeard cited valuable reasons. Women may me socialized to like more commercial music, they're raised that way. But that's completely different to saying that they just can't like non-commercial music because that's not one of their talents. 

And if we judge talent based on the first posts of this thread, damn we have the mental intelligence of a 10 year old kid... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:15

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:


Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.



I happen to think this album is an unlistenable blow of hot air.
Does that mean I'm a lady? Confused

My two cents:
No emotion + no substance + crap lyrics + technical bragging ==> No Ladies

Luckily 90% of Prog is much more then that, so go out all of you and convince more people of that !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:17
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Did anyone notice that this site is crawling with nerds? Maybe it has more appeal to nerds than other types of music (which is does) - and a lower percentage of the women are nerds than men, so there.

OMG, can we spray for nerds or something??? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:19
The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 

Edited by The T - April 23 2010 at 11:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:27
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Did anyone notice that this site is crawling with nerds? Maybe it has more appeal to nerds than other types of music (which is does) - and a lower percentage of the women are nerds than men, so there.

OMG, can we spray for nerds or something??? Tongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:28
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 


LOL So true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:31
To be fair, I don't even know why I was attracted to prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:31
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 
 
despite of your acid comment... you are right... they sound like those little boys at 6 or 8 years old that don't like women at all... grow up pals, life is way more entertaining and interesting with women around... I repeat what interesting is there to talk about sports, religion, politics and music? women don't do that... they know that talking is a complete waste of time... that's why I love them...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 12:43
Because girls have cooties??? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 13:24
Again?
Well, some things don't change, do they?

Funnily, it reminds that I will attend the concerts of some free-jazz female musicians next week. Not "prog" enough, maybe...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 14:09
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:30
I recommend, for some studies on women and how they tend to process knowledge, the book Women's Ways of Knowing.  One generalization to come out of this work is that woman solve problems in a more collaborative way (sensitive to the perspectives/feelings of others) than men do.  How I understand this is that men tend to prefer rules and if you break a rule well then you suck and who cares...things don't go your way, but that's cool.  Women tend to be more willing to reconsider each situation if there is someone who is going to loose out even if that person bears some responsibility for their being "on the outs".  But if you are always struggling against the group then you might "fall out" of the realm of consideration and be excluded.  Of course this doesn't define how men or women think or act, it is more the "center" or "home" or "path of least resistance" that men or women have to start from.  I suspect that intrasexual socialization holds the bulk of the responsibility for this difference between the sexes and not so much the natural or genetic makeup of the individual.
 
So in the spectrum of music does prog rock appeal less to a collaborative/socially oriented individual?  Does music that speaks directly of relationships and/or is experienced through attending performances and/or can be danced to along with others and/or is "popular" of more interest to women because it plays to their socialized preferences for knowing?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:32
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
 
Or should we say socially simple-minded?  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:59
What's a female?  Confused
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:00
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

What's a female?  Confused

The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04
Originally posted by sealchan sealchan wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
 
Or should we say socially simple-minded?  Wink

Is there a  difference? The "genius" who can't get more than cockroaches to listen to his nonsense is no more than the fool who speaks for a crowd... and the latter one will probably matter more in the end.

Let the little people think they're special because they listen to prog and have found out that women "are not smart"... Soon they'll realize how trivial, mundane, complete unoriginal they are and how dumber they look next to a clever, smart, prog-or-pop-or-sh*t-it-doesn't-matter-what-music-loving woman... 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04
Oh those...like Amy, Ace, Sarah Jane, Peri, etc. (sigh)...what was the question again?  Ermm
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