Why does prog attrack more males, not females? |
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:33 | |||
Yes, but generally Its a social thing, not a music thing. Women could like Prog, but the social pressure is to not like it, or rather to like some other thing. How can women get together with their friends and talk about the Delicate Sound of Thunder like I can with people I know? From when I was a boy I could discuss PF with other men. Could a girl do the same, except by going across the boundaries of gender norms? (What a weird sounding bunch o' lines) Edited by RoyFairbank - April 23 2010 at 10:34 |
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jampa17
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:37 | |||
Totally agree with Henry... I didn't think you were actually talking seriously about this... but man... any woman can actually do the same about some Male "composers" or musicians... you know... Tori Amos is better than most of males in composition... I mean, you can like her or not, but she is very talented and her understanding of music is very superior and I don't think you can actually make songs better than hers... and I tell you, I can't and I am a dedicated musician...
Now, to the topic... I think the real reason is that women are more sensitive than men, and I don't mean that they only appreciate love songs, but they understand music not in metric and time signatures but in feeling and emotions... My bandmates are girls and to every single riff or phrase that I show to them they interpret emotions more than what cool figure I'm doing but most of the time they are right about what I feel or felt when I compose those phrases. And that's cool because or songs makes a lot more of sense, which I don't have, I'm too cold to have that perception...
Of course there are less women than man in this site... but there are very good at it... Raff is a key example...
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jampa17
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 10:43 | |||
That's not an accurate thought man... Women don't talk about music as men do... they talk in a more sensitive way and they even don't care to talk about music... they talk about more important things to them... Generally, as you say, women find politics, sports and music boring to talk about... and they are right, actually... is not that they don't like it, but is boring for them to "talk" about it... tell me, what interesting can be talk about a great solo... you know, no matter what you thought about it, the solo exists wether you like it or not... so... maybe for us is completely boring watching a chickflick but actually they like it because there you see more emotions and less thoughts...
Men are boring... I do feel sorry for the girls that actually have to fall in love with us... they are more interesting than us... that's for sure...
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:13 | |||
I'm sorry but after reading to some of the posts on this thread I have but to agree that stupidity is the main ingredient necessary to be nerdy, socially-isolated, misogynist prog-rock fan....
Yes, right, women don't like VDGG so they're stupid. Well Mr Wiseguy, women are kicking men's asses in symphonic orchestras' enrollment all around the world. Maybe they prefer BETTER music? Oh go ahead and believe that little prog rock is the ultimate test for intelligence.... Stonebeard cited valuable reasons. Women may me socialized to like more commercial music, they're raised that way. But that's completely different to saying that they just can't like non-commercial music because that's not one of their talents. And if we judge talent based on the first posts of this thread, damn we have the mental intelligence of a 10 year old kid...
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Bonnek
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:15 | |||
I happen to think this album is an unlistenable blow of hot air. Does that mean I'm a lady? My two cents: No emotion + no substance + crap lyrics + technical bragging ==> No Ladies Luckily 90% of Prog is much more then that, so go out all of you and convince more people of that ! |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:17 | |||
OMG, can we spray for nerds or something??? |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:19 | |||
The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman...
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:27 | |||
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think you can get special shampoo from the Chemist (Is that Drugstore?) . You have to use it regularly though!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:28 | |||
So true. |
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A Person
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:31 | |||
To be fair, I don't even know why I was attracted to prog.
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jampa17
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:31 | |||
despite of your acid comment... you are right... they sound like those little boys at 6 or 8 years old that don't like women at all... grow up pals, life is way more entertaining and interesting with women around... I repeat what interesting is there to talk about sports, religion, politics and music? women don't do that... they know that talking is a complete waste of time... that's why I love them...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 12:43 | |||
Because girls have cooties???
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CPicard
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 13:24 | |||
Again?
Well, some things don't change, do they? Funnily, it reminds that I will attend the concerts of some free-jazz female musicians next week. Not "prog" enough, maybe... |
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 14:09 | |||
The question should rather be, why does prog, in theory a musically-demanding genre (at least compared with regular pop), attract so many of the simple-minded?
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sealchan
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:30 | |||
I recommend, for some studies on women and how they tend to process knowledge, the book Women's Ways of Knowing. One generalization to come out of this work is that woman solve problems in a more collaborative way (sensitive to the perspectives/feelings of others) than men do. How I understand this is that men tend to prefer rules and if you break a rule well then you suck and who cares...things don't go your way, but that's cool. Women tend to be more willing to reconsider each situation if there is someone who is going to loose out even if that person bears some responsibility for their being "on the outs". But if you are always struggling against the group then you might "fall out" of the realm of consideration and be excluded. Of course this doesn't define how men or women think or act, it is more the "center" or "home" or "path of least resistance" that men or women have to start from. I suspect that intrasexual socialization holds the bulk of the responsibility for this difference between the sexes and not so much the natural or genetic makeup of the individual.
So in the spectrum of music does prog rock appeal less to a collaborative/socially oriented individual? Does music that speaks directly of relationships and/or is experienced through attending performances and/or can be danced to along with others and/or is "popular" of more interest to women because it plays to their socialized preferences for knowing?
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sealchan
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:32 | |||
Or should we say socially simple-minded?
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 16:59 | |||
What's a female?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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A Person
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:00 | |||
The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time. |
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04 | |||
Is there a difference? The "genius" who can't get more than cockroaches to listen to his nonsense is no more than the fool who speaks for a crowd... and the latter one will probably matter more in the end. Let the little people think they're special because they listen to prog and have found out that women "are not smart"... Soon they'll realize how trivial, mundane, complete unoriginal they are and how dumber they look next to a clever, smart, prog-or-pop-or-sh*t-it-doesn't-matter-what-music-loving woman...
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 17:04 | |||
Oh those...like Amy, Ace, Sarah Jane, Peri, etc. (sigh)...what was the question again?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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