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The Scriptures speak of hell as well, and no one in the Scriptures speaks more about hell than Jesus. No matter what tradition makes of it:
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Matt. 5:29)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:33)
The Scriptures speak of hell as well, and no one in the Scriptures speaks more about hell than Jesus. No matter what tradition makes of it:
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Matt. 5:29)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:33)
Right. And when Jesus uses that word, did he mean a place of eternal, conscious torture and physical agony?
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So what is he supposed to mean then? I find those lines quite clear. I mean, he probably didn't mean "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how
can ye escape the damnation of hell which is quite a comfy place where you'll be given a good talking to and then psychiatrists will evaluate whether you can rejoin society"
So what is he supposed to mean then? I find those lines quite clear. I mean, he probably didn't mean "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how
can ye escape the damnation of hell which is quite a comfy place where you'll be given a good talking to and then psychiatrists will evaluate whether you can rejoin society"
Do you honestly believe the only interpretation is the Westernized traditional one?
The Scriptures speak of hell as well, and no one in the Scriptures speaks more about hell than Jesus. No matter what tradition makes of it:
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Matt. 5:29)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:33)
Right. And when Jesus uses that word, did he mean a place of eternal, conscious torture and physical agony?
I submit that he did not.
Apparently not, according to these verses (in English):
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:14,15)
(In Dutch the word for 'hell' here differs from the word used in the Gospel according to Matthew).
The Scriptures speak of hell as well, and no one in the Scriptures speaks more about hell than Jesus. No matter what tradition makes of it:
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Matt. 5:29)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:33)
Right. And when Jesus uses that word, did he mean a place of eternal, conscious torture and physical agony?
I submit that he did not.
Apparently not, according to these verses (in English):
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:14,15)
(In Dutch the word for 'hell' here differs from the word used in the Gospel according to Matthew).
As well it should, because they are two different words in the Greek as well (gehenna in Matthew and hades in Revelation).
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I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
This whole thing has nothing to do with the bible or any other nonsensical religious nonsense, it's all about abusers in the Roman catholic church who should know better, these people are put in a position of trust, and children should be free from paedophiles. Hang them high, and show to the world we will not accept paedophilia or any other abuse.
Remember this pope was in the Nazi party...so denial should come easily to him.
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 03:44
stonebeard wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
You think sexual acts with children is worse then murder? lol
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 04:39
ReaganwillshottyLibs wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
You think sexual acts with children is worse then murder? lol
Pretty much.....far worse
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 04:42
Chris S wrote:
ReaganwillshottyLibs wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
You think sexual acts with children is worse then murder? lol
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 08:28
I have a hard time ranking bad things like that. When someone is murdered that person doesn't go on killing other people. The molested do sometimes turn into molesters. A sick gift that keeps on giving.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 11:48
Chris S wrote:
ReaganwillshottyLibs wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
You think sexual acts with children is worse then murder? lol
Pretty much.....far worse
I honestly don't know which is worse, raping is so repulsive for me that I can't imagine something worst.
It's so repulsive that even the criminals consider child raping horrendous, when I made my practice of Penal law in a prison, child rapists had to be appart of the rest of the prisoners, because they were raped, harrassed and even murdered on daily bases.
But there's a way toi know...Ask a father of a raped child, if he would rather had his son killed....That will tell you what's worst, despite our natural repulsion for pedophilia.
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Posted: April 24 2010 at 11:53
ReaganwillshottyLibs wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how many acts of true compassion without strings attached the Church could do to balance the scales of just violating the trust of just one child under their care. I'm also drawing a blank right now of one single act that is worse than having a child trust you and your institution not only as a physical guiding force but as something in charge of your eternal soul, which can use that as leverage against the child, and then conning the child into sexual acts. Outright murder doesn't even come close to the evil of that act.
You think sexual acts with children is worse then murder? lol
You missed the point.
Is murder worse than rape? Yes.
Is murder worse than pedophilia. Maybe.
Is murder worse than conning a child to have sex with you because you can easily prey on his fears that if he strays from you he will be tormented for eternity? Sweet Jesus Hell yes.
You can lament the taking of someone's life, but this act here should make your jaw drop to the f**king floor by how evil it is.
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