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RoyFairbank 
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 19:38 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 19:46 |
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This is a ridiculous poll.
I went with option 3.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 20:04 |
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You had 27 possible slots for this poll. Well regulated capitalism and the removal of corporational personhood would do wonders for the "system" as well as those of us who don't start out with the capital to play with in the first place but are at the mercy of those who do.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 20:40 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
You had 27 possible slots for this poll. Well regulated capitalism and the removal of corporational personhood would do wonders for the "system" as well as those of us who don't start out with the capital to play with in the first place but are at the mercy of those who do.
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Regulating capitalism in a capitalist set up is like asking someone not to breathe; its not going to happen. Your going to have to kill that person if you want them to stop. That the identity of exploitation and capitalism isn't obvious and the thought goes that you can have one without the other is a product of the total "poverty" of the American outlook. It is disgusting that people can turn the other way when poverty, inequality and war rage across this planet.
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JLocke
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:31 |
I'm a Libertarian, but I am also a capitalist. I believe corporatism is the real culprit, here. Capitalism (when it works right) is wonderful. It's when it gets out of control that things start to get shady.
In any case, I picked option three. It's not a perfect system, but at this point in time I believe it to be the best one, and I don't see anything around the corner that could work any better.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:35 |
JLocke wrote:
I'm a Libertarian, but I am also a capitalist. I believe corporatism is the real culprit, here. Capitalism (when it works right) is wonderful. It's when it gets out of control that things start to get shady.
In any case, I picked option three. It's not a perfect system, but at this point in time I believe it to be the best one, and I don't see anything around the corner that could work any better. |
Right. There's a saying close to "it's not a perfect system, it's just the only workable one we have." Another goes "under Capitalism man exploits man, under Socialism the reverse is true."
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JLocke
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:39 |
Finnforest wrote:
JLocke wrote:
I'm a Libertarian, but I am also a capitalist. I believe corporatism is the real culprit, here. Capitalism (when it works right) is wonderful. It's when it gets out of control that things start to get shady.
In any case, I picked option three. It's not a perfect system, but at this point in time I believe it to be the best one, and I don't see anything around the corner that could work any better. |
Right. There's a saying close to "it's not a perfect system, it's just the only workable one we have."
Another goes "under Capitalism man exploits man, under Socialism the reverse is true."
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 Love that second one. Really.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:44 |
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Love the Avv Micah, is that from an online game character? Which game?
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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The T
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:46 |
Finnforest wrote:
JLocke wrote:
I'm a Libertarian, but I am also a capitalist. I believe corporatism is the real culprit, here. Capitalism (when it works right) is wonderful. It's when it gets out of control that things start to get shady.
In any case, I picked option three. It's not a perfect system, but at this point in time I believe it to be the best one, and I don't see anything around the corner that could work any better. |
Right. There's a saying close to "it's not a perfect system, it's just the only workable one we have."
Another goes "under Capitalism man exploits man, under Socialism the reverse is true."
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Mankind has evolved and has had so many changes that I just can't imagine it giving up and admitting capitalism is the only "workable" solution for all times... Maybe not while we're alive, but one day it HAS to fall... It carries within itself the seed of its own destruction...
Of course, that second statement is quite simplistic. If you equate socialism=communism, yes. If you equate socialism=a-system-with-regulation-and-some-level-of-state-intervention then the answer is a resounding no. A system in-between is the only answer... Not communism like in NK or Cuba, not Brutal Capitalism like people want here in the US.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:49 |
It carries within itself the seed of its own destruction...
And Socialism doesn't? 
And I hardly consider the US system "brutal". There is lots of social spending, even if less than some other countries commit.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JLocke
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:50 |
Finnforest wrote:
Love the Avv Micah, is that from an online game character? Which game?
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Thanks, Finn.
It's Joanna Dark from the N64 classic ''Perfect Dark''. The version I have on my avatar currently is actually from a Half-Life 2 mod.
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The T
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:53 |
Finnforest wrote:
It carries within itself the seed of its own destruction...
And Socialism doesn't?
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Read my last paragraph. What you call socialism is really communism (or "real socialism", but was applied in reality in the soviet bloc and in southeast asia and in some hispanic countries). I'm not in favor of THAT socialism. I'm all in favor of the one that respects free market but doesn't treat it as a religion.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:54 |
Can't say I'm familiar, it just looked like many of the Guild Wars characters I see on my SO's computer when she's gaming!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:55 |
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I understand the distinction Teo. I just consider the US already regulated and with redistributive policies. You don't believe we're far enough down that road.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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The T
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 21:59 |
Finnforest wrote:
I understand the distinction Teo. I just consider the US already regulated and with redistributive policies. You don't believe we're far enough down that road.
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Not even close .
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JLocke
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 22:01 |
Finnforest wrote:
Can't say I'm familiar, it just looked like many of the Guild Wars characters I see on my SO's computer when she's gaming!
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Well, if you have a 360, I highly recommend downloading Perfect Dark. It's a classic, one of the first console FPS games that actually worked, and still a lot of fun even today. Yes, that's a plug, but seriously, if you like shooters, not playing this game is just a sin. 
Of course, you should look it up first and see if it looks like something you would enjoy, but I really think you will.
Edited by JLocke - April 12 2010 at 22:02
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thellama73
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 22:02 |
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I love capitalism so much that sometimes it makes me shed tears of joy. The mere sight of a supermarket produce section or a pound of macaroni and cheese for 50 cents at Wall Mart causes my vision to swim with American flags while the sweet strains of John Philip Sousa play in the background.
I can't understand how so many people can be so attached to their cell phones and computers and cars and airplanes and satellite TV, and then turn around and try to destroy the system that made these things possible.
p.s. in case it wasn't obvious, I voted option three, although with the way things are going, the chances of that happening are looking grim.
Edited by thellama73 - April 12 2010 at 22:07
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 22:04 |
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I understand the distinction Teo. I just consider the US already regulated and with redistributive policies. You don't believe we're far enough down that road.
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Not even close .
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Fair enough 10 years ago I would have agreed. I no longer believe in entitlement. I think the most prosperity for young people will come from getting out of their way, than burying them with the debts of ever increasing social spending and business mandates.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 22:06 |
I'm not really a gamer Micah, but I'll mention Perfect Dark to her! 
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JLocke
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 22:10 |
thellama73 wrote:
p.s. in case it wasn't obvious, I voted option three, although with the way things are going, the chances of that happening are looking grim.
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You watch FoxNews, don't you, my friend?
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