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Easy Money
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Posted: April 11 2010 at 12:37 |
Epignosis wrote:
Once a teacher in the USA has been accused of inappropriately touching a student, it doesn't matter if he is not proven guilty. His career is effectively over. Done deal.
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Although it is extremely rare, I can recall one instance where a child was clever and precocious enough to tell a teacher (not me) that if he did not get his way, he would report the teacher for inappropriate touching. The teacher was a veteran and knew to report this conversation immediately.
There are precautions that any teacher can take, if I am with one child, or a very small group, I leave the classroom door open and all blinds and shades on the windows up. Having an always open and easily visible presence is your best defense.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 11 2010 at 12:46 |
Easy Money wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Once a teacher in the USA has been accused of inappropriately touching a student, it doesn't matter if he is not proven guilty. His career is effectively over. Done deal.
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Although it is extremely rare, I can recall one instance where a child was clever and precocious enough to tell a teacher (not me) that if he did not get his way, he would report the teacher for inappropriate touching. The teacher was a veteran and knew to report this conversation immediately.
There are precautions that any teacher can take, if I am with one child, or a very small group, I leave the classroom door open and all blinds and shades on the windows up. Having an always open and easily visible presence is your best defense. | Yep- absolutely John. While it didn't happen often (I taught all boys), if I were even with a female student (escorting her somewhere, or something like that), I made it a point to find a third person to be with us.
Fortunately,
we had a wonderful administration that recognized that we were dealing
with "at-risk" youth who were not the most trustworthy of people, so any
accusation was treated with a cool head
I was once accused by an entire class of using racial slurs at
them, and nothing ever came of that (except one drunk, pissed off teacher
that evening ). _____
It's
just that people automatically assume someone is guilty, especially when it
is reported in the media.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 11 2010 at 12:57 |
Even though I teach a law class in a university with adult students, never had a relation with any woman there, because it's dangerous, despite this fact, several teachers have married students, but I rather avoid any problem.
I don't need to have the blinds open (I use slides coonstanly), but being that we have an average of 50 to 70 students, there's no risk, and I am the first to leave the class, the reunions with students are grupal, they all wait in the same room, several feet from my desk and I talk with one of them with at least 4 or 5 more students in the same room at a safe distance but close enough to have witness nothing ever hapens.
If this isn't possible, I call a female assistant to be present.
Iván.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 11 2010 at 13:03
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 10:08 |
Paranoia ! I worked in the corporate world after leaving the military for a few years before I discovered that money wasn't anything. There was this one particularily heavy unattractive girl who worked in customer service and she was always complaining about being sexually harassed which unfortunately resulted in the dismissal of one ( the few ) friends I had in the company. She accused the guy of touching her on the behind. I didn't believe it for one second. My friend said to me that he would rather fondle a sack of potatoes. Make a long story short this girl was let go for crying wolf once too often and my friend moved on to a better job with a better company. I sometimes tutor entry level university mathematics to physiotherapy and biology students but I have yet to feel uncomfortable or experience what you guys have mentioned. I guess it's a liitle different because I do this by referal and everyone who refers me knows me personally because I also play on a McGill University slow pitch team. One thing I do when the weather permits is to go outside on the campus grounds away from the clinical environment of the classroom not because I'm afraid of being accused of sexual harassment but because it is more conducive. I dunno, the world just gets wackier and wackier. Or has it always been wacky and we just haven't noticed it?
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jampa17
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 12:09 |
I can speak about priest being accused of this kind of scandals. In my old town, a priest was friend of the family, and in this story the reality is very different than Rome, you know, a poor priest who doesn't have belongings, car, nothing, he lived by what people gave during the services, and he lived a very decent life. One they, a school that was next to the church wanted to bring down one wall of the church because they claimed that the land was theirs, the priest didn't let them do that and some female teachers of the school threatened him that they will make a sexual scandal if he didn't let them get the land back... It was funny because this priest has more than 70 years old... so he practically laugh at their face about it... but he make sure that all the legal papers about the property were OK, and then retired... he wasn't at the age to be fighting against that kind of manipulations...
Maybe that's why I'm so open to dismiss that kind of scandals... and believe me, I know this priest (already death...) and I know the people who was threatened him... so...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 12:16 |
Like I said, the world has gone wacky.
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The T
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 17:45 |
Now a big catholic priest equated pedophilia with homosexualism....
How great these people always are, aren't they?
But hey! Funny Old Ratzinger apologized The Beatles!
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 07:14 |
The T wrote:
Now a big catholic priest equated pedophilia with homosexualism....
How great these people always are, aren't they?
But hey! Funny Old Ratzinger apologized The Beatles! |
Generalisation... not all are the same.
So, in attempting to diffuse the abuse scandal the Pope's number 2 has made things worse by offending gays. Worse still, he made his comments on a trip to Santiago where a priest was retained at an all-girl school despite many complaints about him abusing the girls. SMH.
Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens want the Pope arrested if he visits the UK...
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The T
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:35 |
seventhsojourn wrote:
The T wrote:
Now a big catholic priest equated pedophilia with homosexualism....
How great these people always are, aren't they?
But hey! Funny Old Ratzinger apologized The Beatles! |
Generalisation... not all are the same. True
So, in attempting to diffuse the abuse scandal the Pope's number 2 has made things worse by offending gays. Worse still, he made his comments on a trip to Santiago where a priest was retained at an all-girl school despite many complaints about him abusing the girls. SMH.
Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens want the Pope arrested if he visits the UK... |
That will never happen. First the charges against him should be made official, not just media noise. Second, I don't think no police force and no judge will have the strength and fortitude to dare to incite the hate of millions of catholics around the world... And no president or country's authority will want the weight of such decision upon their heads.... No. Ratzinger will not face anything. Dawkins and Hitchens, with who I agree most of the time, are certainly just trying to become more notorious with this. Unless there's POSITIVE PROOF, none will raise a finger towards the Rome Guy.
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:43 |
The T wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
The T wrote:
Now a big catholic priest equated pedophilia with homosexualism....
How great these people always are, aren't they?
But hey! Funny Old Ratzinger apologized The Beatles! |
Generalisation... not all are the same. True
So, in attempting to diffuse the abuse scandal the Pope's number 2 has made things worse by offending gays. Worse still, he made his comments on a trip to Santiago where a priest was retained at an all-girl school despite many complaints about him abusing the girls. SMH.
Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens want the Pope arrested if he visits the UK... |
That will never happen. First the charges against him should be made official, not just media noise. Second, I don't think no police force and no judge will have the strength and fortitude to dare to incite the hate of millions of catholics around the world... And no president or country's authority will want the weight of such decision upon their heads.... No. Ratzinger will not face anything. Dawkins and Hitchens, with who I agree most of the time, are certainly just trying to become more notorious with this. Unless there's POSITIVE PROOF, none will raise a finger towards the Rome Guy. |
Just remembering that the Pope (no matter who) is also Vatican's Head of State.
Can someone believe in a country arresting another country's head of state while visiting it after being invited?
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The T
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Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:48 |
Atkingani wrote:
The T wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
The T wrote:
Now a big catholic priest equated pedophilia with homosexualism....
How great these people always are, aren't they?
But hey! Funny Old Ratzinger apologized The Beatles! |
Generalisation... not all are the same. True
So, in attempting to diffuse the abuse scandal the Pope's number 2 has made things worse by offending gays. Worse still, he made his comments on a trip to Santiago where a priest was retained at an all-girl school despite many complaints about him abusing the girls. SMH.
Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens want the Pope arrested if he visits the UK... |
That will never happen. First the charges against him should be made official, not just media noise. Second, I don't think no police force and no judge will have the strength and fortitude to dare to incite the hate of millions of catholics around the world... And no president or country's authority will want the weight of such decision upon their heads.... No. Ratzinger will not face anything. Dawkins and Hitchens, with who I agree most of the time, are certainly just trying to become more notorious with this. Unless there's POSITIVE PROOF, none will raise a finger towards the Rome Guy. |
Just remembering that the Pope (no matter who) is also Vatican's Head of State.
Can someone believe in a country arresting another country's head of state while visiting it after being invited? |
A point I forgot to mention. You see, it IS impossible unless it's 1000% proved. In which case I doubt good old Poppy will leave the Vatican.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 21 2010 at 10:41 |
Don Cherry's wife said that he could get into more trouble in 7 minutes than others could in a lifetime. My wife has said similar things about me. So for now I'll just clam up.
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Failcore
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 01:50 |
Ivan, as a Catohlic, shouldn't you be worried that child abuse cover-ups by senior officials are a possibility? I get the court of public opinion, media mongering, and all. It's complete garbage and I'm sure many innocent priests have capitulated to stuff they shouldn't have, just to avoid potentially dire outcomes. But still, seems like it could be dangerous to not at least have a little suspicion. I personally could buy either way, that there was a cover up or there wasn't, but if noone asks the question, can the answer be known? You have to be willing to turn the microscope on yourself, whether personally, or organizationally. That's my dime store philosophy. I have no idea what kind of internal justice system the Catholics have, but I hope they are doing something. Any justice system will be rendered useless if one is afraid to prosecute for fear of false accusation. Heck, theres too much of that in America as there is, when it comes to accusing those who are in power or in the money. I guess all I'm saying is that, in the end, isn't ignoring the issue worse? I apologize if I queried on anything you already addressed; this has been an active topic!
Edited by Deathrabbit - April 22 2010 at 01:51
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:14 |
Much too complicated.
Anyone who abuses children can't possbly believe in the existance of hell. If you don't believe in hell, you can't believe in God either, they just go together as a package. So, as a priest, if you don't believe in God, you shouldn't be allowed to stay a member of the church. On top of that, if the swines' heads roll, it's good PR for Pope Rottweiler, the effin' hypocrite.
Edited by npjnpj - April 22 2010 at 06:15
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:22 |
npjnpj wrote:
Much too complicated.
Anyone who abuses children can't possbly believe in the existance of hell. If you don't believe in hell, you can't believe in God either, they just go together as a package. So, as a priest, if you don't believe in God, you shouldn't be allowed to stay a member of the church. On top of that, if the swines' heads roll, it's good PR for Pope Rottweiler, the effin' hypocrite.
| That's some real, airtight logic right there.
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:32 |
Thank you, aim to please. But honestly, I realise how overboard it is, but this business makes me so unbelievably angry, that I have to vent my feelings a bit.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:34 |
npjnpj wrote:
Thank you, aim to please.
But honestly, I realise how overboard it is, but this business makes me so unbelievably angry, that I have to vent my feelings a bit.
| I believe in God, but I do not believe in the existence of hell (as tradition puts it).
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:49 |
You mean you get to pick out the raisins?
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 06:50 |
npjnpj wrote:
You mean you get to pick out the raisins?
| What?
Edited by Epignosis - April 22 2010 at 06:54
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 07:00 |
Sorry. Means you get to choose what suits you best and disregard any negatives.
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