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it's not about peoples mind... is about media interests... They only care if it's new a fresh noise to sell... anything else takes smaller places in the newspapers as the days pass and people get bored about it... just that...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

it's not about peoples mind... is about media interests... They only care if it's new a fresh noise to sell... anything else takes smaller places in the newspapers as the days pass and people get bored about it... just that...

You're a little too quick to dismiss this problem entirely just because it affects priests of the religion you follow man...  
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

it's not about peoples mind... is about media interests... They only care if it's new a fresh noise to sell... anything else takes smaller places in the newspapers as the days pass and people get bored about it... just that...

You're a little too quick to dismiss this problem entirely just because it affects priests of the religion you follow man...  
 
No, I'm a journalist and I know how the agenda works in the media... from inside out... that's why... and is just like the other guy said: today was priest, before was Tiger Woods, before was the war, before corruption... is just what can sell more newspapers or pick out more audience... in most cases, the information is distorded to try to reach more and more people... that's all...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

it's not about peoples mind... is about media interests... They only care if it's new a fresh noise to sell... anything else takes smaller places in the newspapers as the days pass and people get bored about it... just that...

You're a little too quick to dismiss this problem entirely just because it affects priests of the religion you follow man...  
 
No, I'm a journalist and I know how the agenda works in the media... from inside out... that's why... and is just like the other guy said: today was priest, before was Tiger Woods, before was the war, before corruption... is just what can sell more newspapers or pick out more audience... in most cases, the information is distorted to try to reach more and more people... that's all...

I agree to a point, it's only a pressing issue(pun intended) until the next big thing comes up.
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Didn't hear about this story, been living under a rock this semester.

I guess what can be said? Nothing that I havn't said before: Organized Religion.......... what a surprise
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Didn't hear about this story, been living under a rock this semester.

I guess what can be said? Nothing that I havn't said before: Organized Religion.......... what a surprise
 
Nobody justifies the abuse of some priests, but you say organized religion...The you must mention parenthood (34% of the rapes are by parents as I quoted in a report) family members, teachers, friends schoolmates, etc that are incredibly higher.

Why don't you talk about school system with rapist teachers and students?

But press ignores them, because it's easy to accuse a priest, but what is worst, they create the scandal when a priest is accused, they hang him, but don't say a word when 98% are declared innocent, because an innocent priest doesn't sell newspapers. 

That's what we criticize.

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Nah it all happens too, and I agree with you 100%

Still doesn't change what I said.... but you are right.
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All of that is true. But the pedophiles in church must be burned anyway. Investigated and then, if convicted, burned. The same if the main priest in Rome covered it up.

The same for people in all walks of life of course, with or without Roman hat.
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When I said i would take a box seat to this thread then I' sorry ILIED!!! ( just as Arnie would say! ).

Children are the hope of the future or , what we have left of it. They are precious. This hiding behind the facade of religion ha worn too thin on me. Jesus Christ is a composite, Any fool can see that. The biggest case of the Emporers New Clothes. My dear old dad agreed with me. He allowed me to discover that for myself. The way Joe The Rat is running the Vatican makes a mockery out of mankind itself. And if any of the self-ritcheous editors want to hide this then be my guest. in the military I dealt with chaplians ( and authotity ) who were very open minded and unbiased if that's any coparison to a MUSIC wbsite who emloys THOUGHT police.

i have a good friend with whom I share breakfast with occasionally who is the age of 89 years and some of the plans for these "priests" are unprintable here on "Progarchives Geoorge Orwell General Di
scussions.com". 
We spent the Easter holiday with my twin nieces and nephew and my sister said that she would not let them anywhere near any church of any faith. The kids play sports, swimming, skating, hockey and my nephew even wants to be a pilot.  Take your divinity and shove it. Really. Has lost any meaning for me. 
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

When I said i would take a box seat to this thread then I' sorry ILIED!!! ( just as Arnie would say! ).

Children are the hope of the future or , what we have left of it. They are precious. This hiding behind the facade of religion ha worn too thin on me. Jesus Christ is a composite, Any fool can see that. The biggest case of the Emporers New Clothes. My dear old dad agreed with me. He allowed me to discover that for myself. The way Joe The Rat is running the Vatican makes a mockery out of mankind itself. And if any of the self-ritcheous editors want to hide this then be my guest. in the military I dealt with chaplians ( and authotity ) who were very open minded and unbiased if that's any coparison to a MUSIC wbsite who emloys THOUGHT police.

I have a good friend with whom I share breakfast with occasionally who is the age of 89 years and some of the plans for these "priests" are unprintable here on "Progarchives Geoorge Orwell General Di
scussions.com". 

We spent the Easter holiday with my twin nieces and nephew and my sister said that she would not let them anywhere near any church of any faith. The kids play sports, swimming, skating, hockey etc. and my nephew even wants to be a pilot.  Take your divinity and shove it. Children are pecious.



 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

All of that is true. But the pedophiles in church must be burned anyway. Investigated and then, if convicted, burned. The same if the main priest in Rome covered it up.

The same for people in all walks of life of course, with or without Roman hat.
 
I agree with you, if a priest rapes...hang him.
 
But I don't understand the hatred against Catholic Church,
 
In the report I posted you can see that 
 
  1. 251 "Bible" Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)
  2. 147 Baptist Ministers 
  3. 140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers 

HAVE BEEN CONVICTED, and they represent a much smaller percentage of Catholic Priests accused, and even ten times higher than the Catholic priests convicted, but the press ignores this.

Just imagine that the FundamentalistEvangelical represent only 1.2 % of the Christians ibn USA, Baptists represent 16% of Christians and Anglicans only 1.7% while Catholics represent a large 24% oif Christians in USA and they have a very high of CONVICTED pastors.

Another site says:
 
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  • Priestly celibacy is not the issue - married men are more likely to abuse children than unmarried
  • Most child abuse takes place within the home.
  • All religious groups have pedophile scandals, and the Catholics (while the largest religious group) are at the bottom of the list statistically.
  • Child abuse is prevalent in all areas of society: schools, youth organizations, sports, etc.
  • Statistically, of all the professions, Christian clergy are least likely to offend. Doctors, Farmers and Teachers are the professions most likely to abuse children--not clergy.
  • Among clergy offenders Catholic priests are least likely to offend.
  • Catholic cases of pedophilia make more headlines because of anti Catholic prejudice and because the Catholic Church is bigger and more lucractive to sue.
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    But press attacks Cathollic Church, because the Pope is in a different country and are the biggest Christian Church in the world.
     
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    I am against anything that uses religion as a facade.

     I just invented a religion that requires me to walk down the street with a loaded AK 47. There!

     These guys make the KKK look like Saints.
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    Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

    Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

     
    [quote]
  • Priestly celibacy is not the issue - married men are more likely to abuse children than unmarried
  • Most child abuse takes place within the home.
  • All religious groups have pedophile scandals, and the Catholics (while the largest religious group) are at the bottom of the list statistically.
  • Child abuse is prevalent in all areas of society: schools, youth organizations, sports, etc.
  • Statistically, of all the professions, Christian clergy are least likely to offend. Doctors, Farmers and Teachers are the professions most likely to abuse children--not clergy.
  • Among clergy offenders Catholic priests are least likely to offend.
  • Catholic cases of pedophilia make more headlines because of anti Catholic prejudice and because the Catholic Church is bigger and more lucractive to sue.
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    But press attacks Cathollic Church, because the Pope is in a different country and are the biggest Christian Church in the world.
     
    Iván
     
    Child abuse as you say goes on in all walks of life - Education Medical and of course most often in the family. 
     
    What is the issue with the Catholic Church is not that abuse occurs but that it has been hidden - covered up systematically.  Instead of reporting abusers to the police which is what happens in the other cases you mention.  The Church just moved abusers to somewhere else so they could carry on their abusive behaviour.  Its probably 'least likely to offend' because noone reports anybody.^
     
    The Press smell blood yes.  But the behaviour of the Catholic Church has been so apalling that it deserves this scrutiny.  The Church needs to catch up with the 21st C.
     
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    Logic:

    People from nations do evil things.

    Therefore, belonging to a nation is evil.

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    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Logic:

    People from nations do evil things.

    Therefore, belonging to a nation is evil.

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    What?  You didn't get the memo.

    Look religion should never be a cover for doing evil deeds.  Far too often it is and I'm not going to point fingers.


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    Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Logic:

    People from nations do evil things.

    Therefore, belonging to a nation is evil.

    Geek
    What?  You didn't get the memo.

     Look religion should never be a cover for doing evil deeds.  Far too often it is and I'm not going to point fingers.


    And I do not support anyone who uses religion to hide evil ambitions (ever heard of the Pharisees?).

    My point is that if, for example, a US soldier molests a child, and his commanding officer covers him, I will not discredit the entire US military.

    Kinda funny really, if you think about it...

    Here in America, some Muslims destroyed our buildings and murdered thousands of people, and yet you get criticized severely for even insinuating that the Islamic religion is a cover for violent acts.  Ermm
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    I'm looking back at my post and it seems a bit harsh, so I apologize.  I was attempting to inject into a little humor .into an unfunny subject.  But you're on the money and as you have outlined you beliefs I can't see a less than honorable person.
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    Points: 32550     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2010 at 18:13
    Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

    I'm looking back at my post and it seems a bit harsh, so I apologize.  I was attempting to inject into a little humor .into an unfunny subject.  But you're on the money and as you have outlined you beliefs I can't see a less than honorable person.


    And your entrenched political opinions masquerading around as humor have done nothing but two things:

    1. Made me feel. (Angry or LOL)

    and

    2. Made me think.  (Geek)

    Whereas Tull could only do one, you've done both.  Wink

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    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Logic:

    People from nations do evil things.

    Therefore, belonging to a nation is evil.

    Geek
    What?  You didn't get the memo.

     Look religion should never be a cover for doing evil deeds.  Far too often it is and I'm not going to point fingers.


    And I do not support anyone who uses religion to hide evil ambitions (ever heard of the Pharisees?).

    My point is that if, for example, a US soldier molests a child, and his commanding officer covers him, I will not discredit the entire US military.

    Kinda funny really, if you think about it...

    Here in America, some Muslims destroyed our buildings and murdered thousands of people, and yet you get criticized severely for even insinuating that the Islamic religion is a cover for violent acts.  Ermm
     
    It does appear as if the cover up of abuse in the Catholic Church has been institutional.  And members of the church trusted priests with their children you wouldn't trust a soldier in the same way with your child.
     
    The Church covered this abuse not the religion. 
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    Points: 32550     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2010 at 18:23
    Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

    Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

    Logic:

    People from nations do evil things.

    Therefore, belonging to a nation is evil.

    Geek
    What?  You didn't get the memo.

     Look religion should never be a cover for doing evil deeds.  Far too often it is and I'm not going to point fingers.


    And I do not support anyone who uses religion to hide evil ambitions (ever heard of the Pharisees?).

    My point is that if, for example, a US soldier molests a child, and his commanding officer covers him, I will not discredit the entire US military.

    Kinda funny really, if you think about it...

    Here in America, some Muslims destroyed our buildings and murdered thousands of people, and yet you get criticized severely for even insinuating that the Islamic religion is a cover for violent acts.  Ermm
     
    It does appear as if the cover up of abuse in the Catholic Church has been institutional.  And members of the church trusted priests with their children you wouldn't trust a soldier in the same way with your child.
     
    The Church covered this abuse not the religion. 


    I won't presume to answer for Catholics since I am not one of them and there are several here, but your point is well taken.
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