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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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"Whatever is not for profit is either charity or robbery."-EpignosisYing Yang

Wrong again Rob some of the schools I have worked for are 'non-profit', they aren't charities nor are they robbers, they provide a service for a price and then more or less break even. Schools are not the only place where this strange phenomena takes place.


So such institutions always have a zero budget?  Cool.  Could teach the US government something.

Wait, when was I wrong before?

It's not profit what drives their "business" to call it like that. It's a service. Of course, surpluses at year's end are better than deficits in said schools budgets, but making a profit is not their goal. That should be evident. 
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"profit" is an interesting idea--  Richard Nixon always said he never 'profited' from his work in government, which as a lawyer he meant he'd never earned more than what he'd worked for.. so to him, profit meant something significantly beyond an established payment for services

 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Whatever is not for profit is either charity or robbery."-EpignosisYing Yang

Wrong again Rob some of the schools I have worked for are 'non-profit', they aren't charities nor are they robbers, they provide a service for a price and then more or less break even. Schools are not the only place where this strange phenomena takes place.


So such institutions always have a zero budget?  Cool.  Could teach the US government something.

Wait, when was I wrong before?

It's not profit what drives their "business" to call it like that. It's a service. Of course, surpluses at year's end are better than deficits in said schools budgets, but making a profit is not their goal. That should be evident. 


Providing a service costs money.
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WellPoint CEO receives a 51 percent increase in compensation. Health Insurance Companies Doing Just Fine in the Unnecessary, Redundant Greed Department.
Californians take generally positive view of healthcare reform. A new Times/USC poll shows voters saying by a 46%-29% margin they would be more likely to vote for a politician who had backed the health bill.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Whatever is not for profit is either charity or robbery."-EpignosisYing Yang

Wrong again Rob some of the schools I have worked for are 'non-profit', they aren't charities nor are they robbers, they provide a service for a price and then more or less break even. Schools are not the only place where this strange phenomena takes place.


So such institutions always have a zero budget?  Cool.  Could teach the US government something.

Wait, when was I wrong before?

It's not profit what drives their "business" to call it like that. It's a service. Of course, surpluses at year's end are better than deficits in said schools budgets, but making a profit is not their goal. That should be evident. 


Providing a service costs money.

Has anyone ever denied that? None's asking for doctors to work as slaves.... 
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I don't know if the Obama plan is the best, but no one else offered anything different than the status quo. Obama is the only one who stepped up to the plate and made something different happen.

To throw up unproven platitudes like 'if it is run by the government it must be bad' is just nonsense. If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Whatever is not for profit is either charity or robbery."-EpignosisYing Yang

Wrong again Rob some of the schools I have worked for are 'non-profit', they aren't charities nor are they robbers, they provide a service for a price and then more or less break even. Schools are not the only place where this strange phenomena takes place.


So such institutions always have a zero budget?  Cool.  Could teach the US government something.

Wait, when was I wrong before?

It's not profit what drives their "business" to call it like that. It's a service. Of course, surpluses at year's end are better than deficits in said schools budgets, but making a profit is not their goal. That should be evident. 


Providing a service costs money.

Has anyone ever denied that? None's asking for doctors to work as slaves.... 


Again, that doesn't address the issue.  Look at what you said, and why I said "providing a service costs money."  Doctors must go through at least three times the schooling as teachers, plus teachers don't have to pay for their own practice, insurance, staff, and other expenditures.  Under Obama's plan, heath care will still be expensive.  It's just that those who don't need / want it have to pay for it.

You mention school budgets and say "making a profit is not their goal."  Now you bring education into it.  I am in favor of privatized education.    Big smile
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I don't know if the Obama plan is the best, but no one else offered anything different than the status quo. Obama is the only one who stepped up to the plate and made something different happen.

To throw up unproven platitudes like 'if it is run by the government it must be bad' is just nonsense. If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.



Because of government-run programs, John!

Oh wait, no.

Because of corporations who have government contracts, like http://www.lockheedmartin.com/
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I don't know if the Obama plan is the best, but no one else offered anything different than the status quo. Obama is the only one who stepped up to the plate and made something different happen.

To throw up unproven platitudes like 'if it is run by the government it must be bad' is just nonsense. If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.

Because of government-run programs, John!Oh wait, no.Because of corporations who have government contracts, like http://www.lockheedmartin.com/

Wrong again Rob, our military is not run by Lockheed, it is run by the government of the USA.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.

Because of corporations who have government contracts, like http://www.lockheedmartin.com/[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  Wrong again Rob, our military is not run by Lockheed, it is run by the government of the USA.


John, I swear, you should run for president with that slogan ("WRONG AGAIN ROB!"), but look carefully here.

The government runs the military yes, but were it not for private corporations, they would not have the best fighter jets, for example, to make them great.  Men with swords and horses won't cut it anymore.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.

Because of corporations who have government contracts, like http://www.lockheedmartin.com/


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  Wrong again Rob, our military is not run by Lockheed, it is run by the government of the USA.


John, I swear, you should run for president with that slogan ("WRONG AGAIN ROB!"), but look carefully here.

The government runs the military yes, but were it not for private corporations, they would not have the best fighter jets, for example, to make them great.  Men with swords and horses won't cut it anymore.


Corporations build their tools for war. But they don't run nor do they decide when to go to war. (At least we hope so, though that's uncertain...) 

Anyway, throwing 30 trillion dollars in useless wars seems like much more of a waste of money than doing so in a health care reform... (I know, I digress... I just thought of it...) 


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  If our government is so inept, how did we end up with about the best military in the world.

Because of corporations who have government contracts, like http://www.lockheedmartin.com/

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

  Wrong again Rob, our military is not run by Lockheed, it is run by the government of the USA.
John, I swear, you should run for president with that slogan ("WRONG AGAIN ROB!"), but look carefully here.The government runs the military yes, but were it not for private corporations, they would not have the best fighter jets, for example, to make them great.  Men with swords and horses won't cut it anymore.[/QUOTE]


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:



Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.


Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.


So the legislature and the President will get to decide if my hemorrhoids get repaired or not.  Nice.

(Interesting how you don't mention what role the judicial system will play in fixing up my colon...)
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.


No, you're right.  The federal government is the very quintessence of efficiency and excellence.

Proven track record of doing what?


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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.


Personally, I'm going with Blowin' Free on this one.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.
No, you're right.  The federal government is the very quintessence of efficiency and excellence.

Lets take this further, did anyone else come up with an idea to save us from price gouging at the hands of the insurance industry? Something actually workable that our elected officials felt strongly enough about to vote for?
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.
No, you're right.  The federal government is the very quintessence of efficiency and excellence.

Lets take this further, did anyone else come up with an idea to save us from price gouging at the hands of the insurance industry? Something actually workable that our elected officials felt strongly enough about to vote for?

No. They just know how to say NO. They have no idea of how to say HOW... 
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Yes, and our brave new medical world will have needles and thermometers and crazy trick reclining beds and drugs and lots of other neat stuff made by private companies, but calling the shots will be our elected officials headed by our Commander-in-Chief, the same folks who call the shots in the military.
Sound great!   What could possibly go wrong?

Who do you propose would do a better job and has a proven track record to back it up.
No, you're right.  The federal government is the very quintessence of efficiency and excellence.

Lets take this further, did anyone else come up with an idea to save us from price gouging at the hands of the insurance industry? Something actually workable that our elected officials felt strongly enough about to vote for?


I did.  But nobody listened to me. 
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