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Joined: December 27 2009
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 14:02
One question. I'm buying a gramophone, because there's a lot of good prog in my country, that is not available on CDs. What do you suggest? Is iw worth buying very expensive stuff (compared to used ones) or gramophones with the option of turning vinyl into mp3? Is it possible to turn audio tapes into mp3?
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 03:18
AbrahamSapien wrote:
One question. I'm buying a gramophone, because there's a lot of good prog in my country, that is not available on CDs. What do you suggest? Is iw worth buying very expensive stuff (compared to used ones) or gramophones with the option of turning vinyl into mp3? Is it possible to turn audio tapes into mp3?
Depends on your budget really;
You can pick up some really good gear second hand - some of the 1970s amps have a really warm sound compared to modern amps which are designed to reproduce digital sources, and almost all have phono inputs, unlike modern amps.
You have to be a bit careful with 2nd hand record players though - worn or stretched belts can be tricky to replace, and aging motors can burn out quickly. Balancing tone arms is not too tricky - but if they've been abused, you may be looking at a replacement (if at all possible!) - then there's the cost of styli to be considered.
Not trying to put you off - this can be a very rewarding experience, and you certainly get to learn a lot about turntables in the process!
I like the Project USB deck, as I can use it through my Hi-Fi via phono cables (but NOT using the phono input on the amp) and plug it into my PC and mp3 the sounds as I listen.
There are solutions that allow the same for tape - although you can get passable mp3's simply by connecting the line out on the tape deck into the PC. I send mine via the record loop on my amp - adds an extra stage to the process, but doesn't seem to affect the sound too badly (given that most of my tapes were recorded using the Dolby noise reduction system).
The key is, decide your budget, get some ideas of what you're looking for and what you want from it, and have fun. It can become an expensive hobby if you let it... but it always results in listening to loads of great music the way it was supposed to be heard.
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 11:47
Because turntables have limitations - e.g. they're not so good in the car, or while jogging, or perhaps in an aeroplane...
By sending them to mp3, at least YOU know that the source hasn't been remastered by some cloth-eared dolt and compressed to death to compete in the "loudness wars".
...and you get that realistic crackle, even while jogging...
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 12:56
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 13:36
elder08 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
I guess he's wondering what that "digital sound" sounds like.
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Posted: March 29 2010 at 13:36
Well, I did a little reasearch and as I am a total newbie in turntables stuff, I'd like to get some suggestions about buying a gramophone. A quite interesting one, I've noticed, is this: http://www.crosleyradio.com/Turntables.aspx It's quite useful to get 3 things in one, I guess. Well, but I have noticed, that I can't order most of there sweet looking, woooden, multi-functional turntables from here, Slovenia (I did find one, but I could het 2 gramophones of those for the price of the shipping). Here's the situation, I'm 14 and I want a gramophone in my room (the computer and the radio are in the living room, I don't like headphones, iPod only if neccessary). What I can buy in Slovenia is mostly like this: http://www.bobencek.com/trg/detajl.php?ime=OMNITRONIC%20DD-4750%20USB%20GRAMOFON&id=808&hid=17 But I think, that for using this I need a mix table and all of that stuff And I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE. And I'm not a fan of loud music. But I have the option of buying some used turntables. Do you have any suggestions? P.S.:I'm quite interested in making mp3s from vinyls. Can i do it with old turntables (I've read something about that, but as I said, I'm a complete newbie)?
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Posted: March 31 2010 at 11:29
And one more question: I have noticed, that some of the new gramophones have the speed 78rpm, while all of the old ones, that I can find, only have the regular two speeds (33 and 45rp).
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Posted: April 11 2010 at 16:14
AbrahamSapien wrote:
And one more question: I have noticed, that some of the new gramophones have the speed 78rpm, while all of the old ones, that I can find, only have the regular two speeds (33 and 45rp).
Actually, until very recently, it was rare to have the option of 78rpm - my turntable only allows that if you buy and additional pulley and belt system, and an additional stylus.
If you go back further still, much older gramophones have the 78 option, and even older ones may have a 16 rpm option too. This was mainly used for spoken word, but some artists released albums on this format - which could hold about an hour per side. Check out some Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass:
78 is a useful speed to have if you like music from before the 1950/60s, when the 45 took over - but shellac is far more susceptible to suface noise than vinyl. This is sometimes seen as an "authentic enhancement", and the quality is possibly better in many ways, because of the faster playback speed.
You can easily make mp3 from vinyl providing your turntable has an audio out.
If it's phono, then this will have to go through a phono stage to get any kind of recordable signal, but if it's line out or USB, it can go straight into your PC and you can use a free program like Wavepad to record it.
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 07:27
One of my bosses has gone on a vinyl collecting frenzy. He doesn't care about the content so has started asking strangers he runs into if they have any and has met with some success. He said only one guy he's asked said he did have some but that he wasn't parting with them. One of the more amusing acquisitions was a '50's music for bachelors record with really sexist liner notes on the back. I'll see if I can post it sometime.
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 12 2010 at 07:27
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:27
I've just got myself a gramophone, and a few vinyls. The feeling is amazing, but I got a horribly scratched vinyl of Nursery Cryme and it just hurts to listen to how it skips a few seconds every second. Any idea about how to get reprints of vinyls? Which magic words do I have to googleor type into the Amason browser to find vinyl reissues?
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 20:34
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
Generally I agree, but far from always and its' not black or white, there are goods and bads with both medias. A well made CD sounds better then a badly made vinyl but a well made vinyl sounds better then a badly made CD.
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 20:37
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
elder08 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
I guess he's wondering what that "digital sound" sounds like.
Its probably the lack of pops, hiss, crackling and other extraneous sounds.
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 05:29
AbrahamSapien wrote:
I've just got myself a gramophone, and a few vinyls. The feeling is amazing, but I got a horribly scratched vinyl of Nursery Cryme and it just hurts to listen to how it skips a few seconds every second. Any idea about how to get reprints of vinyls? Which magic words do I have to googleor type into the Amason browser to find vinyl reissues?
Try eBay...
I'd avoid the "Blue Charisma" represses, because they're on really thin vinyl, and the sound just isn't there.
Go for a "Pink Charisma" label, if your budget is limited, but ensure the seller advertises it as at least "Excellent" condition.
If you're really interested in an investment copy that will sound amazing, go for a "Pink Scroll" copy - but don't expect to fork out less than £50, especially for "Excellent". "Excellent" should be relatively free of pops and clicks - although an anti-static cleaner should get rid of those - and any "extraneous noise" is inherent in the recording, and part of the ambience.
The Pink Scrolls are first pressings, the vinyl is thick, chunky and great quality listening with an awesome "warm" sound that none of the remasters come close to - I own the remastered box set on SA-CD and DVD-Audio and can testify that the sound is more brittle and somewhat artificial compared to the first press (which I also own).
My opinion, of course - one man's "brittle", "clinical" and "artificial" is another's "digitally enhanced".
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 00:07
Vinyl probably sounds better than CD, with a better frequency-response, due to the techniques involved with 'cutting' the album, and the physical nature of the vinyl, itself, (it just sounds 'warmer', to me), but easily gets damaged.....cassette and 8-track were inconvenient as the tracks were usually 'staggered, or left no space for 'artwork'....... CD cases are just WAY too small to skin-up on......I guess they ALL got their drawbacks........I DO miss 'album-art', tho......it's just not 'definitive' enough for me, on anything smaller than a 12" vinyl album. Mp3 seems to be the way to go, these days, but even then, you lose some of the audio spectrum (ok, you cant hear 12Hz bass in isolation, but when its propping up a 100-200Hz signal, you DO notice it when it's gone). I prefer vinyl, personally, but where are you gonna get 'new' vinyl of older albums from, these days????
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 00:18
paganinio wrote:
I've never heard anything on Vinyl and I don't care. Maybe it could sound better at times.
It doesn't. The handling of the mix itself is the only difference. If done properly, the CD will sound just as good if not better than the Vinyl. Well, except it will be missing all of the hiss, pops and ticks that many here call that ''warmer'', ''richer'' sound.
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 15:56
the vinyl may not have a superior sound to cd, but the experience is. you'll take out a beautifully packaged vinyl and carefully take out the inner bag, place the record on the turntable, drop the needle down, study the inserts, sleeve and lyrics and stuff while listening, and change side after 15-20 minutes. with cd you just take it out from an ugly jewel case and hit play, then often start doing something else and the listening is not the main activity. with vinyl you'll most likely put more emotion and ambition into listening.
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