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Direct Link To This Post Topic: Lady GaGa's "Telephone"
    Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:44
Lady GaGa's latest music video, which is really more of a short film, is quite bizarre. It's also one of the most explicitly PG-13 things on Youtube, with a nearly naked GaGa, brief profanity, and LESBIANS.
The 'Ga claims to be bisexual, so the LESBIANS shouldn't surprise anybody, but we are still left with one of the strangest music videos I've ever seen from a major label. So I ask you, what does it mean?
 
The first options are based on this blog post, and I admit that the main reason I made this thread was to share this link. He has a whole series of these things, and they're all fantastic, as is the whole blog. But you all know how I feel about crazy people, so you may not agree.
 
The second set is based on an essay question somebody on another forum got in his Music and Gender class
Quote Lady Gaga's music and image has been influenced by the likes of David Bowie, Fred Mercury from Queen, Michael Jackson, Madonna and Gwen Stefani. In her latest video set to the music "Telephone," Lady Gaga along with Beyonce presents an array of images of androgyny and hyper femininity in her narrative that begins with doing time in a women's prison. In this video that refers to the film Thelma and Louise, Lady Gaga weaves a tale of poisoning Beyonce's repulsive boyfriend as well as the other patrons of the restaurant, and then proceeds to drive off in the sunset with Beyonce.

For your paper, discuss some of the details of popular culture that the video is incorporating and argue what does Lady Gaga's pastiche of popular culture do for her audience. (Britney Spear's video of "One More Time" for example). How does her audience understand these controversial images that border on the obscene? What is the significance of including Beyonce in the music video? In your opinion, is Lady Gaga a feminist in her surreal play of images that involve lesbianism in her music video? Or is re-inscribing misogynistic views of women?
 
The last set is obvious.
 
Personally, I'm fairly certain that it doesn't really mean anything, at least in the sense of subverting stereotypes to advance the cause of feminism blah blah blah; however, I do think that at least some of the things our Vigilant Citizen is talking about are intentional. Ga has this weird ironic thing going on with her popularity that is very annoying, but commenting on mass media seems to be something she does quite frequently, even while indulging in the very things she pretends to dislike. And strange occult imagery has resonating power, so I imagine some of that that is deliberate as well.
 
Also, The Blonde Lady has a total of over 1 billion views on Youtube. Fame can buy you a lot of things!
 
Also, this is the very first thread about Lady GaGa on PA, so I bet it's going to be great. If you don't post in this thread, you can't complain about repeat topics!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:47
Henry, you have far too much free time.

Also, Post-Feminism, because that's the kind of psuedo-intellectual bullsh*t that keeps people on their toes. Or it is just drivel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:54
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Henry, you have far too much free time.

Also, Post-Feminism, because that's the kind of psuedo-intellectual bullsh*t that keeps people on their toes. Or it is just drivel.
I'm not even sure what post-feminism means, but there's a Wikipedia article for it! 
 
While I skipped ahead at times, I do recommend watching at least part of it. Is this what pop music is becoming? Should we be concerned about that? There's always been  very strange thematic choices (I've watched that video 10-20 times and I'm still not sure what's going on), but this seems to be taking things to a new level.
 
Also, I should be clear: the metaphor I am referring to is the (perceived) unthinking, passive nature of pop culture/mass media. So GaGa is talking about about Americans being hypnotized, not being hypnotized herself. This is not to insult anyone, but I've found that things that are obvious in my head aren't always clear to everybody else.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:59
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Henry, you have far too much free time.

Also, Post-Feminism, because that's the kind of psuedo-intellectual bullsh*t that keeps people on their toes. Or it is just drivel.
I'm not even sure what post-feminism means!
 
While I skipped ahead at times, I do recommend watching at least part of it. Is this what pop music is becoming? Should we be concerned about that?


Post-Feminism, you don't need to know the specifics of what it means, just the fact that it refutes some feminist claims, while pushing others. In other words, nothing that vanilla Feminism can't describe in a more succint manor.

I've seen the video on a music TV channel, I was too apathetic to watch the whole thing. At least it's not deadly dull.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 02:29
I was thinking of taking a music class next semester (im an engineer) and I think reading that prompt just completely turned me off the idea
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 02:34
I'd vote for options 5 & 7 combined. I was also perplexed when I first saw it.

Too bad the music is awful. I mean, is this really the new Thriller? Thriller was a nice track that I liked even without the video. Same goes for a lot of successful pop before the last era of commercialism that started in the mid 90s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 04:47
Cross between 4 and 7, but as for one word to define the whole 10 minutes: ROFL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 04:55
Communist propaganda. I didn't watch it though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 09:07
That essay question is crap that's just a prof. reading into pop culture, a necessarily mindless entity, with pathetic intelli-speak.

The song is less than 4 minutes long, and they repeated it a lot in the video. It had good parts, and it's pretty catchy. I felt like the video was trying too hard and ended up being kind of dumb. The thing is, I like GaGa's whole attitude and persona. She reminds me of a mix of characters from the Fifth Element and Blade Runner time traveling back to us to troll everyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 11:48
I voted for BOOBS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 13:56
I prefer Radio GA-GA no vote
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 14:19
Well, I have consistently come out in defense of Lady Gaga's music, which I think is remarkably good pop,a dn I think this is a remarkably good video. There's a lot of controversy about it being offensive, but I think that is a bit silly. It's no more offensive than anything else out there. Should kids be watching it? No. But kids see lots of things they shouldn't and I think the impact on their fragile little minds is overstated.

What does it mean? Nothing, I think. It's eye candy and ear candy, with a Tarantino sensibility. Why does everything have to mean something?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 14:55
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Well, I have consistently come out in defense of Lady Gaga's music, which I think is remarkably good pop,a dn I think this is a remarkably good video. There's a lot of controversy about it being offensive, but I think that is a bit silly. It's no more offensive than anything else out there. Should kids be watching it? No. But kids see lots of things they shouldn't and I think the impact on their fragile little minds is overstated.

What does it mean? Nothing, I think. It's eye candy and ear candy, with a Tarantino sensibility. Why does everything have to mean something?

I agree 100% with everything here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 15:13
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Well, I have consistently come out in defense of Lady Gaga's music, which I think is remarkably good pop,a dn I think this is a remarkably good video. There's a lot of controversy about it being offensive, but I think that is a bit silly. It's no more offensive than anything else out there. Should kids be watching it? No. But kids see lots of things they shouldn't and I think the impact on their fragile little minds is overstated.

What does it mean? Nothing, I think. It's eye candy and ear candy, with a Tarantino sensibility. Why does everything have to mean something?

I agree 100% with everything here.

I agree 100% 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 15:32
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Well, I have consistently come out in defense of Lady Gaga's music, which I think is remarkably good pop,a dn I think this is a remarkably good video. There's a lot of controversy about it being offensive, but I think that is a bit silly. It's no more offensive than anything else out there. Should kids be watching it? No. But kids see lots of things they shouldn't and I think the impact on their fragile little minds is overstated.

What does it mean? Nothing, I think. It's eye candy and ear candy, with a Tarantino sensibility. Why does everything have to mean something?

I agree 100% with everything here.

I agree 100% 

(with you two... ConfusedConfused)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 16:13
Lady Gaga 2012
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 18:01
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

I prefer Radio GA-GA no vote

LOL Me too. Still voted 'boobs' because I'm shallow.

But on a more serious note, I agree that for a pop artist she is fairly good, not to mention the fact that she writes her own songs, which is a plus in my book. However, I find the video a bit too ostentatious. One can make a point in a different way. I understand she is eccentric and an artist but the line between eccentric art and poor taste is very thin. I don't agree with the mentality: if everybody else does it, why shouldn't I do it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 19:26
I went with option #1 because I am convinced that she is one of David Icke's infamous "Lizard People" who are in cahoots with the Illuminati and President Barry Hussein Sombrero Fartbama to take over the world and enslave all of humanity.
 
/watched about the first minute and a half to two minutes of the vid before it just became too freakin weird - didn't even get to the song, but if it's as obnoxious as "Pokerface" and "Paparazzi", then I'm not missing much
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 21:05
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Lady Gaga 2012

I think she might be a better president than that other female candidate... (not Hillary...) WinkTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2010 at 22:22
Didn't knew Lady Gaga was this hawt. Her face sucks, but she has a great body.
 
On a side note, why is her vagoo cencored in this video? I only noticed it was uncovered due to the pixels and why the hell she had to show it if it would be cencored anyway? God, I sure hate that controversy that is not controverted culture that Madonna invented in the 80s.
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