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    Posted: March 20 2010 at 08:28
Some of you may remember - I started a thread about losing weight about half a year ago:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57935

In the last few months I tried a few different approaches and none of them worked ... but then I came across this great book:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462

It's a long book, and it doesn't even mention the term "low-carb" all too often. It summarizes all the important research that has been done for the last century on obesity, weight loss, diabetes, heart disease etc.. I must say - Only a few weeks ago I saw low-carb diets as just another "fad diet". But now I see the logic behind it, I understand how it works, and why it works when all other weight loss methods that don't restrict carbs ultimately fail.

I'll give you a short summary of what's most important about low-carb:
  • It's a general change in your diet ... but unlike other diets, it's a change that you can actually implement, because
  • It doesn't necessarily restrict your caloric intake, and there's no need for you to be hungry in order to lose weight
  • The rule "eat less, lose weight" doesn't work, because your metabolism decides how much fat you store. Carbohydrates - through insulin - affect your metabolism in a way that favors fat storage over fat usage (as fuel)
  • The primary source of energy for the body is not glucose/carbohydrate, but fat
  • Carbohydrates make you hungry. That's why on a diet with restricted calories, but high percentage of carbohydrates you'll always feel hungry. That hunger isn't just psychological - it is caused because your cells are starving, but because of elevated insulin (due to the carbohydrates) your fat cells don't release the fat.
Ok ... this should be enough to spark a debate. Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 08:57
No, its true. A low carb diet isn't a fad diet.  Atkins diet where you load up on proteins and fat is.  Also, all carbs aren't created equal.  A slice of whole wheat bread has the same carb value as a slice of white bread, but it comes with better fiber. 

I am not extremely overweight, 5'10 185, but I do have type two diabetes.  I was recently put on insulin injections and taken off pills.  I'm currently working on dietary improvements and getting into gear and hopefully sticking with my exercise program.  Yeah it means I'll have less time to waste on progarchives, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for better health.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:05
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Some of you may remember - I started a thread about losing weight about half a year ago:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57935

In the last few months I tried a few different approaches and none of them worked ... but then I came across this great book:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462

It's a long book, and it doesn't even mention the term "low-carb" all too often. It summarizes all the important research that has been done for the last century on obesity, weight loss, diabetes, heart disease etc.. I must say - Only a few weeks ago I saw low-carb diets as just another "fad diet". But now I see the logic behind it, I understand how it works, and why it works when all other weight loss methods that don't restrict carbs ultimately fail.

I'll give you a short summary of what's most important about low-carb:
  • It's a general change in your diet ... but unlike other diets, it's a change that you can actually implement, because
  • It doesn't necessarily restrict your caloric intake, and there's no need for you to be hungry in order to lose weight
  • The rule "eat less, lose weight" doesn't work, because your metabolism decides how much fat you store. Carbohydrates - through insulin - affect your metabolism in a way that favors fat storage over fat usage (as fuel)
  • The primary source of energy for the body is not glucose/carbohydrate, but fat
  • Carbohydrates make you hungry. That's why on a diet with restricted calories, but high percentage of carbohydrates you'll always feel hungry. That hunger isn't just psychological - it is caused because your cells are starving, but because of elevated insulin (due to the carbohydrates) your fat cells don't release the fat.
Ok ... this should be enough to spark a debate. Big smile



might be stating the obvious here.. but let's just say I'm not an expert on diets..  just diet coke

since all of our bodies are different... I would not  think there is a 'magic' diet for all.  I would suppose you just have to try them till you find one that works. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:18
Lose weight, stop eating. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:53
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Lose weight, stop eating. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:55
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Lose weight, marry an Italian. LOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:42
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Lose weight, stop eating. 


Unfortunately that doesn't work. Well, if you take it literally it does ... if you stop eating, then you'll lose weight. And technically fasting is a low-carb diet, too. The question is: how do you keep your weight after the diet?

One of the greatest misconceptions when it comes to weight loss is that those who are overweight simply eat too much. Or by the reverse logic: All an obese person has to do in order to lose weight is to eat less. I'm now very sure that it depends on *what* you eat much more than how much you eat ... and contrary to common belief, the bad nutrient is carbohydrates, not fat.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:44
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Lose weight, stop eating. 


Here's the rub. In my experience it doesn't matter where the calories come from at long as you max out at around 2000, or less, per day. And hey, a Big Mac is going to put you over 500 calories alone, whereas a chicken breast will give you maybe 300 calories and fill you up even more.

Just eat a lot of soup and exercise. Last semester I went from 165 lbs to 150 lbs. I mostly ate a lot of cereal, fruit, and soup. It's called the save money I need to buy a drum set diet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:48
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


might be stating the obvious here.. but let's just say I'm not an expert on diets..  just diet coke

since all of our bodies are different... I would not  think there is a 'magic' diet for all.  I would suppose you just have to try them till you find one that works. 




Well, technically you just made a "low-carb" suggestion, so I would agree.

I don't think that there's a "magic" diet - but all diets have a reason why they're supposed to work, and low-carb makes a lot of sense physiologically. I can't say the same for the grapefruit diet or any other "fad" diet. Plus the results seem to confirm that. So while I don't think that there's anything "magical" about low-carb, I do think that it stands out among most, of not all other diets. It also makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, since I doubt that your typical cave man had easy access to carbohydrates 100,000 years ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:56
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Lose weight, stop eating. 


Here's the rub. In my experience it doesn't matter where the calories come from at long as you max out at around 2000, or less, per day. And hey, a Big Mac is going to put you over 500 calories alone, whereas a chicken breast will give you maybe 300 calories and fill you up even more.

Just eat a lot of soup and exercise. Last semester I went from 165 lbs to 150 lbs. I mostly ate a lot of cereal, fruit, and soup. It's called the save money I need to buy a drum set diet.


I've spend a few months last year on a ~2000 calories diet and didn't lose any weight. And I was (and am) exercising a lot (bicycle, cross trainer). After that I officially joined a gym (in August), started weight training and for a few months didn't care how much I ate - but surprisingly I only gained 1-2kg, which I mostly attribute to muscles.

I guess I would have lost some weight if I had tried to only eat about 1500 calories. But IMO that would not have made me lean, but simply a semi-starved fat guy. Currently I'm reducing carbohydrates specifically, and I'm rapidly losing weight without feeling starved.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:57

The only thing you loose weight on is more physical training with the same diet. I loose three pounds on every round of golf......... with the same diet as before. I have lost ten stones (65 kilos) on golf, cycling and walking. I have also won several golf tournaments and seen parts of this country I would not have seen without my bike. But that's only a pleasant side effect of this regime.  

Besides of that; slimming is also very nice on the environment. Walk instead of drive the 1-2 miles to the shops/farmers market.  

.......but plenty of black coffee/unsweetened tea is also a good slimmer.   

Sex is probably the best slimmer/diet in the world. But as progheads, we don't do sex.   

To sum it up: Human beings was not born to lay idle on a sofa. Human beings was born to hunt, reproduce, be hunted, run, walk, fish, farm, work and everything else we are not doing now. 

In my family, we have been fighting starvation for ten generations. We have only had plenty for the last two generations........... and very severe weight problems. Coincidence ? I don't think so.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 12:33
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


might be stating the obvious here.. but let's just say I'm not an expert on diets..  just diet coke

since all of our bodies are different... I would not  think there is a 'magic' diet for all.  I would suppose you just have to try them till you find one that works. 




Well, technically you just made a "low-carb" suggestion, so I would agree.

I don't think that there's a "magic" diet - but all diets have a reason why they're supposed to work, and low-carb makes a lot of sense physiologically. I can't say the same for the grapefruit diet or any other "fad" diet. Plus the results seem to confirm that. So while I don't think that there's anything "magical" about low-carb, I do think that it stands out among most, of not all other diets. It also makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, since I doubt that your typical cave man had easy access to carbohydrates 100,000 years ago.


honestly Mike... all jokes aside...  have you talked to Raff.  Talk to her... I eat like a horse and my alchohol consumption has shot up (from very little before... to a beer or two a day now)... and yet to her CONSIDERABLE distress  (being a proud Italian woman LOL) she swears I have lost weight in the last year.  If I have it isn' much.. but then again.. I am only 5'8" and 150pds..  so I didn't exactly need to lose weight.   It is my diet with Raff's cooking...  just yesterday was the first time I have had A fried meal (KFC chicken at a seminar the company sent me to) and my intake of my beloved 7-11 chilli dogs is like next to nothing compared to before Raff arrived when the only vegetable I ever ate was... hmm... let me think on that.  Do French fries count?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 13:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 16:51
To put things bluntly, I think people are way too fussed about these "magic" diets that will supposedly solve all your weight issues with little to no effort. I'm not saying they can't/won't work, I'm saying it's bringing complexity somewhere where it isn't needed. I've lost ~ 19 kgs during the last year or so. How did I do this? Not by eating less, not by radically altering my diet, I just made some minor modifications to my eating habits and increased my excercise. The only thing I've "sacrificed" is regular sodas. Good riddance. I'm quite certain the change is going to be permanent as I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. I pay very little attention to what I eat, I just try to follow this guideline: instead of grabbing a chocolate bar, I grab a banana. Sounds difficult? It isn't - once your mind is set on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 17:32
Is anyone ready to learn how to gain weight with my method? It involves lotta butter. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2010 at 07:42
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

No, its true. A low carb diet isn't a fad diet.  Atkins diet where you load up on proteins and fat is.  Also, all carbs aren't created equal.  A slice of whole wheat bread has the same carb value as a slice of white bread, but it comes with better fiber. 


I think that the Atkins diet is a valid form of the low-carb diet. When you reduce carbs this automatically means that you'll eat more proteins and fat. As a matter of fact, I'm currently reducing carbs to a bare minimum - I practically live on meat, eggs and dairy products.

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



I am not extremely overweight, 5'10 185, but I do have type two diabetes.  I was recently put on insulin injections and taken off pills.  I'm currently working on dietary improvements and getting into gear and hopefully sticking with my exercise program.  Yeah it means I'll have less time to waste on progarchives, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for better health.


So your pancreas is no longer producing insulin? In any case, I would recommend trying to reduce carbohydrates rather than adjusting insulin in order to increase your tolerance for carbohydrates, and another book that I'm currently reading (in german, written by a medical doctor) recommends just that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2010 at 07:48
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

To put things bluntly, I think people are way too fussed about these "magic" diets that will supposedly solve all your weight issues with little to no effort. I'm not saying they can't/won't work, I'm saying it's bringing complexity somewhere where it isn't needed. I've lost ~ 19 kgs during the last year or so. How did I do this? Not by eating less, not by radically altering my diet, I just made some minor modifications to my eating habits and increased my excercise. The only thing I've "sacrificed" is regular sodas. Good riddance. I'm quite certain the change is going to be permanent as I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. I pay very little attention to what I eat, I just try to follow this guideline: instead of grabbing a chocolate bar, I grab a banana. Sounds difficult? It isn't - once your mind is set on it.


That makes much sense to me, and what you essentially did was reduce the carbohydrates (sodas are essentially pure carbs).

As far as the banana is concerned ... it may seem like health food, but it's actually high-carb. If it works for you, go ahead ... but I would recommend nuts instead for snacks. One nasty side effect of carbs (in any form) is that they make you hungry for more. That's why people put on a low-fat, high-carb diet can eat 5,000+ calories a day and still feel hungry, while not feeling hungry at all on a high-fat, low-carb diet with less than 2,000 calories.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2010 at 07:58
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Is anyone ready to learn how to gain weight with my method? It involves lotta butter. 


You mean that fatty foods make you gain weight? I disagree. The evidence clearly shows that carbohydrates are much more fattening than fats, as illogical as it may seem at first thought. And of course the fact that for the last 50 years or so doctors and nutritionists have been advocating low-fat, high-carb diets doesn't help either.


The basic logic is this:

Eat carbs -> Insulin rises -> Fat is stored rather than used
Eat fats -> Insulin is not affected -> Fat is used rather than stored

The problem in most obese people seems to be that they have chronically elevated levels of insulin, caused by their carbohydrate intake. Just like lean people their body maintains a balance between fat storage and fat utilization, but as long as insulin is elevated, too much fat is stored rather than used. And simply eating less (while maintaining carbohydrates in the diet) doesn't cause that balance to change ... people might lose some weight that way, but they'll be in a constant state of semi-starvation, which means that not only will the be hungry all the time, but their body will also feed on itself (on the protein), since fat utilization is blocked by the insulin.



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