Andrew WK - RIO/Avant-Prog

bwenner wrote: Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

bwenner wrote: Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

It doesn't take more than one listen for me to tell you that what I listened to wasn't avant, which is the basis of this thread; not how many listens it takes to appreciate or truly judge music.

progkidjoel wrote: bwenner wrote: Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall. It doesn't take more than one listen for me to tell you that what I listened to wasn't avant, which is the basis of this thread; not how many listens it takes to appreciate or truly judge music.

I don't claim to be an expert in anything, and did read the opening post (I'm not an avant team member, I'm just posting my impressions.  I appreciate it when people take the time to listen to my suggestions and comment even if I don't agree with their conclusions and try to engage them in debate about the merits.   That's usually part of the fun, and I like can of worms suggestions that makes one re-evaluate PA's parameters).  I have listened to the music at the homepage as well as myspace, and I just don't think it's right for PA.  I had no preconception.  With some I listen various times since I'm unsure, but this time my ears felt sure.

Incidentally, what brings you to PA and are you an appreciator of progressive rock generally?  What are you favourite bands/ artists in RIO/Avant?  Frankly, for a first post, I found it odd (hope you don't mind me excising the image from your post, but it was inappropriate).

Since it's been rejected for Avant, would you like to try to make a case for it another category?

Kudos to Harry on a very well-written suggestion post even though I don't think it fits based on my impressions of the music (different people haver different ideas of what is includable under the progressive rock umbrella, have different ideas of how categories should operate, different levels of inclusiveness, and different ideas on what direction they would like to see the site take).  I know that I've offered quite a number of left-of-field suggestions that didn't end up being accepted (and in various cases they weren't officially rejected or accepted).  And kudos on a suggestion that managed to reach multiple pages.  A great many receive hardly any replies.

Greg, don't you recognize a troll when you see one? How do you call someone who registers on a site just in order to insult it and its members? 

It's not me! I swear!

Logan wrote: Certainly not even though you do have some similarities... both female for one thing.  ;) Anyway, I guess anyone who like Frank Zappa and Tom Waits can't be all bad.

Oh, make no mistake, if someone decided to allow 'open season' here, I'd be more than glad to offer my very honest opinion on some people... Perhaps without using too much profanity, but equally effectively!

Three "No" votes, definitely rejected.

I didn't mean any offense with my post, I gave a quick opinion and I didn't expect it to be received the way it was by bwenner. I stand by what I said though, which is that I don't think a million listens would've made me think of that album as Avant.

I guess he could be suggested to Prog Related, I have no idea how what they'd think of him though; I'll step down from this discussion from here on in.

Man Overboard wrote: Is there a way this discussion could then, perhaps, be shifted towards discussing this band in another genre than another twenty posts of condescension?  I'm sorry you guys accept some extraordinary cult experimental pop groups and not others, but how can we shift this in a positive direction?

As I remarked previously, I don't hear too much special in this artists work really. Some quirky details do spice up the proceedings a bit, but the core foundation of the music is very much mainstream-oriented as I hear it. Unlike what I've heard of Zappa I might add, where the quirky features are the foundation and the mainstream-oriented details are the additional spices.

The Steinman-tinged melodramatics might make this artist viable for prog-related in some distant future perhaps, but as of today I can't really see this artist making it into the database here.

The music might be good - and it is well put together - but as far as I'm concerned it lacks finesse and sophistication. I have voted no for the inclusion many artists more sophisticated than this dude in my time at this site, and personally I think this guy by mere musical merits has a much weaker case than artists like Stranglers and Smashing Pumpkins - to name two others who has been given the thumbs down in recent years (as in the modern meaning of that hand-signal obviously, and not the original one of Caesarian times).