Phil Collins and here's why. . . . .

Or "Fine, You Win, They Are Here".

What's this huge obsession with adding PR artists??? There are plenty of full-fledged prog bands out there that are still not included on this site. I saw PR oughta be closed for new additions until we run out of real prog bands to add. 

rushfan4 wrote: I believe that M@x has specifically listed Phil Collins as the one and only pariah that should never set foot in PA as a solo artist, so even if the admins were somehow persuaded to add him, it isn't going to happen without persuading M@x as well.

To clarify this. M@x didn't actually pass such an edict, but I understand why you recall it that way.

Easy Livin wrote:   Several years ago, the (then) admin team and M@x agreed that the solo work of any artist whose band is listed in a prog category could be added to prog related (or a full prog category of course if justified). When we agree that policy, Collins was held up as one of the very rare examples of where his solo discography was generally recognised as being far removed from prog. He was therefore quoted as the sole exception to the policy. This was done in a sort of light-hearted way at the time, intended more than anything else to recognise the controversy such an addition would cause.

Deathrabbit wrote: What's this huge obsession with adding PR artists??? There are plenty of full-fledged prog bands out there that are still not included on this site. I saw PR oughta be closed for new additions until we run out of real prog bands to add.

What do you mean? I'll add Phil Collins in Eclectic Prog right now!

Oh, and...only two pages for a Phil Collins thread? Shame on you, Prog Archives

Also, he played in my favourite band.

After reading the post I went to see if Phil has been added or not and I'm happy to see him missing. I agree with most of the friends here about "Face Value" being a great album. About his story with Genesis, we are used to review albums, not biographies, that's why I don't see a reason to include him. In addition he would fall in the alphabetical order between Collegium Musicum and Colosseum. Let him stay in the pop charts, please.

A couple more suggestions for the new genre:

Edited by akamaisondufromage - March 07 2010 at 05:28

Hi Brosky,

seventhsojourn wrote: Hi Brosky,   Welcome to the site... and you are genuinely welcome. The trouble with us newbies is that we tend to ask questions that have been debated here before, sometimes on many occasions. Some of the members like to have their little jokes and I've been on the receiving end myself. No need to take it personally.   I don't want to be accused of being the Prog-Mafia (as Micky calls say), but is it any wonder Brosky hasn't been back here since 21st February? It's not big making fun of new members. How about putting an arm round newbies, instead of chasing them off.   On topic... I'm not really familiar with Phil's solo albums, but if I can widen the debate a little... When did Justin Hayward and John Lodge solo albums get added? I don't want to bring up that ''if so-and-so is here etc'' argument, but they don't even have artist pages. As solo artists, should they not have seperate bios? I've actually been thinking of starting an ''Add Justin Hayward'' thread but I didn't because even I don't think he should be here (even although Nostradamus is more prog than anything on Blue Jays). Can I add Justin's entire solo output? Can I add Mike Pinder and Ray Thomas then? I certainly don't want to upset the person who added these albums, I own copies myself and now they're here I'll review them. Just trying to make the point that we shouldn't be laughing at other people's opinions.

Very good post, Chris - I agree 100% on your thoughts about scaring newbies off. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more frequently, especially at certain times of the day, when some of the more outspoken (understatement of the century) members are online.

As regards the examples you brought up, I am not familiar with what happened, but believe there is an explanation as to the presence of solo albums without separate entries. Phil Collins, unfortunately, is a rather unique case - an extremely divisive artist, and one whose addition would cause much more trouble than it's worth. Personally, I don't see the prog in his solo output, but would not raise a stink - not even for a second - if he was added - I believe I'm smarter than that. However, other people would not be so reasonable - believe me when I tell you I know what I am talking about, since I've got the scars to show for it.