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    Posted: March 05 2010 at 00:00
Ok, before I even get started here, I'm already expecting a lot of replies like "Andrew WK, isn't he that dumb novelty party rock guy?". And I'm here to say, no. He has publicly stated very recently that the Andrew WK from I Get Wet is a completely different person than the current Andrew WK, who appeared on every album from The Wolf to his most recent 55 Caddilac.

And what do you get when you listen to albums like The Wolf or Close Calls with Brick Walls? You get a very interesting blend of the bombastic anthemic stylings of Bruce SPRINGSTEEN, combine it with the compositional chops and quirks of Frank ZAPPA, and add years of classical training. That is to say, you have one of the most important and underappreciated figures in recent prog history.

He has also successfully blended music with performance art in ways that would make acts like GENESIS or THE RESIDENTS blush with envy. His music, and his entire career make up a big overarching philosophical statement. The overall message being that one should love who they are and love life for what it is. His most recent album, 55 Caddilac consists soley of a series of classical piano improvisations, with the overall message being that it is "an album recorded by a free man". With nothing but the piano as an instrument, Andrew WK tells the story of someone obtaining a classic car and loving every minute of it. With no lyrics he describes everything, from seeing the car for the first time, that moment of the eninge beginning, and the thrill of drving at night.

His music can be very dense and multilayered, but it must be noted that there are no session musicians at work here. Every instrument is performed and produced by Andrew WK himself. And with the exception of his first album, he is also the sole writer of all his recordings.

I know I'm required to provide a sample of the artists music to demonstrate why they should be added. How about I reccomend  his entire discography. That's right. Andrew WK's entire discography is streaming for free on the front page of his own website. http://www.andrewwk.com/. No "30-second samples", no "hot tickles", he puts it all out there cold.

But if you really want to hear why Andrew WK should be included, I recommend starting with Close Calls With Brick Walls. It's the best Frank Zappa album that Frank Zappa had no involvement in. It's everything prog should stand for. It's an amazing musical journey that not only explores the boundaries of music, but of life. Listening to this album, you may actually learn something about yourself.

So, in conclusion, I consider it a crime that this artist hasn't been included already. Not only would his inclusion create lots of additional hits for the site because of the artists popularity, but it's also more musically viable than so many other things out there in mainstream music right now. It's challenging, it's exciting, it's fun. It's everything prog should be. It's everything I believe prog can be.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 00:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 21:38
We'd like to evaluate this band, but we NEED samples for that.
We can not (all members of the team) buy all his albums to evaluate him...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 21:48
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

We'd like to evaluate this band, but we NEED samples for that.
We can not (all members of the team) buy all his albums to evaluate him...


You don't need to buy them, as he said:

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I know I'm required to provide a sample of the artists music to demonstrate why they should be added. How about I reccomend  his entire discography. That's right. Andrew WK's entire discography is streaming for free on the front page of his own website. http://www.andrewwk.com/. No "30-second samples", no "hot tickles", he puts it all out there cold.


Just did a google search and here's his myspace (might make things easier):
http://www.myspace.com/andrewwk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 21:59
Oh, I hadn't read that well...
Thanks, we will check. I'll post it in the team thread right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 22:28
Listening to Close Calls With Brick Walls now, will come back later.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 22:39
Haha, I saw something about I Get Wet a while ago, and they were saying it was so good because he wasn't being ironic at all and people who thought it was stupid and terrible are so cynical blah blah blah. With Cadillac, at least, that shows me that's not really true, so this was at least worth the time since it validated my negative world view.

I listened to a good chunk of Brick Walls, and I seem to be out of step with the majority of this site on what constitutes "progressive", so I'll remain silent on that, but I'm 100% positive that is not avant-garde in any possible way. There was a piano intro that reminded me of part of One Size Fits All (don't remember the specifics of either) and there were a couple other half-moments of Zappa, but the only other connection was goofy lyrics. The rest of it was pop-rock and tacky keyboards.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 22:55
Close Calls With Brick Walls

1st track - sort of slow and soft intro.
2nd track - slow synth with soft vocals.
3rd track - Horribly cheesy 'party' anthemic song about never going to bed.
4th track - What I said for the last one, except about remembering a night forever.
5th track - Sounds like another really average anthemic rock song, this time about drugs.
6th track - Another pop rock track, sounds incredibly similar to the last few. Basically all of the tracks so far have also had a super similar drum rhythm. Have no idea what this one is about lyrically.
7th track - Same as the last few with piano instead of distorted guitar for the main melody. Same intro drum rhythm again. This time about not needing sisters and only needing one brother (?!)
8th track - Another predictable guitar and drum rhythm with some synth chords here and there. This one is about Las Vegas.
9th track - Soft piano track consisting of a few chords which lasts for about 45 seconds.
10th track - Piano intro, but then the same drum rhythm with the lyrics 'I Wanna See Ya Go Wild'
11th track - Sped up piano intro, and an orchestral harmony, which then goes into another insanely predictable pop rock guitar lead melody with some touches of synth here and there. Lyrics about being high.
12th track - A fairly random bass rhythm with some eerie vocals and lyrics; only Zappa-ish sound so far imo. Lasts for about 30 seconds.
13th track - Bursts into another super predictable drum and guitar rhythm. Basically continues like this the whole time.
14th track - A very Zappa-ish guitar intro which becomes more predictable and poppy after about 30
seconds. Then goes into some pop rock, although its a little heavier than the rest of the pop tracks.
15th track - A song about a man called Andy who lives on a mountain. Predictable pop rock which is super repetitive again.
16th track - The first slightly proggy sounding track, but it only sounds proggy for about 10 seconds and then it sounds like fairly average pop rock again.
17th track - Has a slightly Mothers Of Invention sounding vocal rhythm and repetition. Then gets some nice piano with drums playing. The lyrics 'Slam! John! Against The Brick Wall!' are continued throughout. A nice little background guitra solo as well. Not overly good but far better than anything else so far.
18th track - Nice piano chord intro, nothing really special. Then picks up an arena/glam rock rhythm and guitar melody. Continues until the track ends.


I don't see how this is evenly slightly avant or prog, but the collabs should have a listen as well I guess. The only track I enjoyed sounds like a Zappa rip-off and the rest either sound like Journey or a generic punk band to my ears. I wouldn't say it even makes prog-related, although thats up for the collabs to decide; just my two cents.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 23:16
I have now listened to the myspace and I just don't see it at all.  I couldn't see it any prog category or Related, and certainly not Avant Prog. But "prog" means different things to different people. Still, I think this is much too far a stretch from what I've heard (and I've certainly suggested artists that would stretch the bounds of PA).

Here's his wikipedia bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_W.K.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 23:37
You guys are silly, especially the one who made the song-by-song list.  Gentle Giants songs are all short too!  Like most good albums, a single listen will not give up its secrets, and attempting to do so will just make you look foolish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 23:49
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

You guys are silly, especially the one who made the song-by-song list.  Gentle Giants songs are all short too!  Like most good albums, a single listen will not give up its secrets, and attempting to do so will just make you look foolish.
If something is so subtly avant-garde that I can't tell it's avant-garde on my first listen, then it's not actually avant-garde.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2010 at 23:52
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

You guys are silly, especially the one who made the song-by-song list.  Gentle Giants songs are all short too!  Like most good albums, a single listen will not give up its secrets, and attempting to do so will just make you look foolish.

I didn't make any judgements about the progressive quality judging by the song length; I merely stated which songs were shorter; and I'm fairly certain that listening to this several more times will make any difference to what I've already said, other than a slightly more in depth analysis which states the same things I've said before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:15
Just doesn't fit into avant-prog, sorry.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:19
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

You guys are silly, especially the one who made the song-by-song list.  Gentle Giants songs are all short too!  Like most good albums, a single listen will not give up its secrets, and attempting to do so will just make you look foolish.
If something is so subtly avant-garde that I can't tell it's avant-garde on my first listen, then it's not actually avant-garde.

guess i'd better give fz a call and tell him he didn't try hard enough

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:30
April Fools!!....!!.... wait a minute, its barely March 7th...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:37
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

You guys are silly, especially the one who made the song-by-song list.  Gentle Giants songs are all short too!  Like most good albums, a single listen will not give up its secrets, and attempting to do so will just make you look foolish.
If something is so subtly avant-garde that I can't tell it's avant-garde on my first listen, then it's not actually avant-garde.
guess i'd better give fz a call and tell him he didn't try hard enough

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No, he didn't, actually. While, based on the poll I made, nobody else agrees, it is obvious to me that FZ should be in Eclectic, since the vast majority of his work has absolutely nothing to do with avant-garde music. I'll gladly give him Weasels Ripped My Flesh as an avant album, but for every one of those in his discography, there are ten Overnight Sensations. 

And the music Andrew WK briefly alludes is unquestionaly part of that vast majority. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:50
^ honestly I also think it'd fall closer under the eclectic banner.  It's big enough, sweeping enough, and just so meticulously crafted (no, really).

Still, dude's status as having a hit single a decade ago will cause many to pass judgment prematurely
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:10
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Still, dude's status as having a hit single a decade ago will cause many to pass judgment prematurely
I'm pretty sure everybody in this thread read that part of the OP and so also listened to at least part of Brick Walls.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:17
LOL Most agree, including myself (I had voted yes but had discussed it elsewhere before), that Frank Zappa would fit Eclectic Prog better.

Poll Question: Should Frank Zappa be in Eclectic?
Vote Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
< name="votice" value="69689" id="P69689" =""> 34 [57.63%]
< name="votice" value="69690" id="P69690" =""> 25 [42.37%]

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54742&PN=1

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:29
Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

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