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rushfan4

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:27

Since Raff said it was OK for me to borrow this let me emphasize Dean's sentiment.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:31

All of you, listen to Superunknown and Down on the Upside, and THEN we'll talk. LOL

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:42

I've got the entire Soundgarden discography. That isn't the point.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:49

Oh well - this case is closed as far as Crossover goes.

Blowin Free - search up the Metallica thread if you want to build a case for prog related, with strong enough musical and analytical arguments to be able to sway the members and the admins here if you like.

Break down Soundgarden's musical output into a clear analytical, logical argument that will force anyone to read it to take a listen to see how your points come across. I'd estimate that a good and reasoned argument would be in the 2.000-5.000 word range.

When you have done that, find a collab you can convince to take the case and champion it for the admin team.

Good luck :-)

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:51

Thanks!

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:52

Blowin Free wrote:

All of you, listen to Superunknown and Down on the Upside, and THEN we'll talk. LOL

I got the last three Soundgarden albums... and a greatest hits with tracks of the first two...

So let's talk.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:52

Percussion, sir!

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:54

^ Win, yes.

Can anybody link to the metallica thread?

The T, got a chat program?

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:57

^What? Your best argument shouldn't be that Iron Maiden and Metallica are here... Your best argument should be about the music of the band itself...

Yes, I have a chat program...

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:01

AIM or MSN? If we chat it will be much simpler for me to explain my opinion to you, my argument isn't Metallica and Iron Maiden, they're only parts.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:04

Are you sensual squirrel??

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:06

Yep.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:34

Dean wrote:

Oh, crap... Not again...

You know Dean, when he said this, I wanted to post exactly the same post, with almost exactly the same structure and formatting. Yes, not again with Iron Maiden. I like them being here, but honestly Blowin Free, you can't point that "this is" in Prog Related so why shouldn't be "yours" too.

There are controversial additions, yes. And because you for sure know that as soon as someone posts review, it can't be easily deleted AND because there are people who wants them to stay, so what do you think you'll accomplish with this, adding another "controversial" band ? You know, this is intentional harm to PA. To repeat mistakes, because somebody else done them in the past.

Or isn't it harm ? Is Supergarden good Prog, or (some) Prog-elements band ? Fight for them, give us proofs. But for Hell's sake, good ones, not just that they have mellotron in one F-word-ing track. You have to do better than this. I have to say that I own just one Best of album, so my knowledge about them is limited, but I know that you're not going to win so much hearts by ending every post with "LOL", even the serious ones. You know that same as I do.

And for sure you're not going to win anything by referring to Iron Maiden.

There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:37

Listen to them and you'll see. You even got their name wrong, which proves you probably didn't listen/

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:42

Even Monster Magnet or Cathedral seem to fit better here.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:55

My discussion with The T:

Soundgarden was originally a leading band in the grunge area, and they have been until their last album, Down on the Upside, but somewhere around Superunknown, Chris Cornell and Kim Thayil began to experiment a bit: odd-time, new musical genres, longer songs, things grunge bands wouldn't normally do. now, obviously you think, they experimented, so what, but if you listen closely to Superunknown and Down on the Upside (like I just did) you'll realise that everything is everywhere, there's odd-time in almost every song, they have influences ranging from middle-eastern to pop almost every 3 minutes, and they've become something that is not simply grunge with their experiments, they became much more complex and made more interesting music, something people who like nirvana like less than people who like Dream Theater.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:02

Blowin Free wrote:

Before you people go all, "Soundgarden is a grunge band, grunge is the complete opposite of prog.', listen to Superunknown, and tell me that that is not Crossover/Related material.

It is not Crossover/Related material.

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:04

Raff wrote:

Pekka wrote:

lucas wrote:

jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???

you know there are bands like talk talk and edge of sanity in PA

Talk Talk has the same number of post rock albums as synth pop albums (plus one transitional art pop thing), just as there's about as much prog Genesis as pop Genesis Wink

And I might add to this, why don't you try listening to Spirit of Eden and Laughingstock before you dismiss them?

I don't dismiss anything !!!!

I just wanted to point out the fact that a band can be included without having begun as a prog band. Laughing stock is in two words...I know both these records and am not that crazy about them.

Genesis began as a prog band, so it's no wonder they are here.

Edited by lucas - March 05 2010 at 14:05

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:07

Blowin Free wrote:

All of you, listen to Superunknown and Down on the Upside, and THEN we'll talk. LOL

I've listened to superunknown, and on a final note I concluded : it is a good album without thinking a single moment that it could be "prog".

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:09

lucas wrote:

Raff wrote:

And I might add to this, why don't you try listening to Spirit of Eden and Laughingstock before you dismiss them?

I don't dismiss anything !!!!

I just wanted to point out the fact that a band can be included without having begun as a prog band. Laughing stock is in two words...I know both these records and am not that crazy about them.

Genesis began as a prog band, so it's no wonder they are here.

I haven't heard it, but I've always been under the impression that From Genesis to Revelation is a rather poppy work...

Edited by Pekka - March 05 2010 at 14:10

It's on PA!