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Stooge
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Topic: Electronic Drums Posted: September 03 2009 at 23:02 |
I'm highly interested in purchasing a drumkit in the future (potentially within a year's time), and feel that an electronic kit would be the best way to go (so I can learn and not wake the neighbors ). I'm curious to know what kits are out there that have a good amount of sensitivity to how hard the drum is struck. I'm not really concerned with price at the moment as I just wish to start some initial research. I don't know whether I'll go new or used either.
Any information is greatly appreciated. Edited by Stooge - September 03 2009 at 23:02 |
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Pekka
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Posted: September 04 2009 at 00:04 |
http://www.roland.com/products/en/TD-9KX/
This is what I use, highly recommended The crash cymbal sometimes leaves a hit unnoticed, but that's pretty rare. Other than that right now I can't think of anything bad to say. I'm just leaving for work and going away for weekend, but after that I could record a little thing for you as an example of the sounds and feel of the kit. I've never had any problems with neighbors, but I live on the first floor. If there's an apartment below you they could get annoyed by the bass drum.
Edited by Keppa4v - September 04 2009 at 00:28 |
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Stooge
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Posted: September 04 2009 at 11:21 |
I just watched a demo of the kit on Roland's site, and it looks and sounds like a great kit. Seems like something to definitely look out for. I saw a Roland electronic kit at a pawn shop a few weeks ago. I believe it was a TD-6 model. It was selling for $740 CDN dollars, but was missing the bass drum component (it didn't come with a bass pedal either, but I guess with most kits that is separate). I didn't try it out though. Has anyone played that particular kit? |
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JD
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Posted: September 05 2009 at 08:15 |
That's so weird. I'm also thinking about the same thing. I'm not a drummer but I am an engineer/producer and write lyrics. I have these musical ideas in my head and Iwork with a very talented composer/keyboardist who has agreed to help me put together an album. I'm hoping to use the kit to lay down rhythm tracks so that he can get a sense of what I imagine the songs to be. I'd probably have to do it in sections, snare and kick first, tom rolls then cymbals. Not the best right way or even the right way but I know my 'musical thoughts' are far superior to any actual playing I could do at one time. I'll be watching this thread closely.
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 05 2009 at 11:53 |
Here's one i made earlier
The main "brain" is a Roland TD-12, the drums are an acoustic set I converted using cross-frame mounted cone triggers and Roland V-Drum heads. Most of the hardware is Mapex, and the custom drum frame is a much stronger one than the Roland. Fabulous kit to play on, also included is a Roland SPD-S pad for effects, the kit took months to build but the results are amazing....to think it all started with a TD-3
I have a collection of 600 other kits I downloaded from Vexpressions ltd., you can add kits to TD-9 / TD-12 / TD-20.
Edited by mystic fred - September 05 2009 at 11:56 |
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JD
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Posted: September 05 2009 at 12:54 |
Cool kit.
Do you find that by using actual shells the kit has better response? I'm also curious about things like snare sounds. A good drummer can get an amazing array of sounds out of the drum by the way it's played, same with cymbals. How does an electronic kit deal with these subtleties? I know some drummers prefer acoustic cymbals on their electronic kits for this reason. |
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 06 2009 at 03:37 |
The shells make no difference to the sound or physical response, I use them for "correct drummer experience" accuracy only, you can use the supplied drums. I use x2 10", one (sometimes 2) 12" toms, a 12" snare and a 22" bass drum with an old metal desk leg for a cross member with the cone trigger set a litle away from the beater to avoid double-hitting. The cymbals are - 11" hi-hat assembly (every nuance is covered), x2 crash, china and 14" ride, all the sizes can be adjusted virtually and various shimmers can be added to the ride, drum sizes can be altered also. To create all these variables in real life you would need a football sized stadium to store them as i have 600 virtual kits. Virtual Microphone positions can be adjusted also.
The TD-12 and TD-20 deal with every useful subtlety there is, pressure / hit sensitive drums and cymbals, rim shots, brushes, zoned ride cymbal (edge, bow and bell), the snare's sensitivity especially varies with middle hits, outward edge, rim, cross-stick, rim & head. The kit uses many hundreds of samples when used together create a seamless performance, it is so convincing many drummers are using them on tour for live performance and especially recording, they don't have to spend all day setting up, the cables from the brain unit go straight into a PA system - the quality of the sound is only limited by the quality of the PA system. For home recording the output cables can be connected to an audio interface or mixing desk.
Using real cymbals would be better but defeats the object of the whole thing, and they would need miking up in a studio, Roland cymbals can recreate virtually everything a real cymbal does, i tried real cymbals but found the hi hats a b****r to set up.
Edited by mystic fred - September 06 2009 at 04:08 |
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mono
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 07:22 |
cool kit
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 11:02 |
I have a Roland TD-3. It's basic in terms of how many drums, cymbals etc, but it sounds excellent. Shame about the drummer..
It's got 32 kits, and one additional input for another cymbal. You get two with it. |
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Stooge
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 09 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
Posted: October 14 2009 at 22:32 |
I just got $210!! It will go towards my slowly-building drumkit fund.
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 19 2009 at 02:17 |
special electronic issue of Drummer magazine this month...
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Stooge
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Posted: January 02 2010 at 00:32 |
Good news: I finally purchased my kit!!
Bad news: I won't be able to play it again for at least another 5 months (had to leave it at my parents house). After much searching on Kijiji, I was able to meet up with a seller in Toronto while I was in the area for the holidays. For $800 Canadian dollars, I was able to purchase a Yamaha DTXplorer electronic drum kit. Essentially a beginner's kit with some limitations, but I can always upgrade parts down the line if I remain interested. It is almost in mint condition and came with the following: - Acoustic Authority A-3640 3-piece speaker system - Sennheiser HD500 fusion headphones - an additional cymbal (Yamaha PCY10) - Pacific drum throne - Vic Firth Hickory American Classic sticks A few reasons why I decided not to bring it with me: 1) I didn't want to spend a fortune shipping it up here 2) It would be too heavy and expensive for me to fly up with the kit even if I left the speakers at my parent's house 3) To eliminate a potential distraction while studying However, I did purchase a practice pad to at least get a good feel for working with drum sticks (never really drummed before) and to learn and practice some of the rudiments. |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 05 2010 at 21:49 |
I just bought a used Roland TD-4k.
Yey!
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machinemusic
Forum Newbie Joined: October 28 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: February 24 2010 at 17:21 |
That Yamaha kit will suffice if your main concern is to rehearse and develop skills. If you ever get tired of the 32 kit sounds (and you will), try getting a copy of addictive drums (you will need midi). It does not replace a real kit but it will greatly expand your range of sounds.
I have a Roland TD-3 (similar to the yamaha) that I use to trigger sounds from a sampler - or for the purpose of rehearsing in the building I live in. hope you can get it up to wherever you are sooner than later so you can start beating it. Edited by machinemusic - February 24 2010 at 17:22 |
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Stooge
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 09 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:29 |
Yeah, I basically wanted a kit that I can learn on since I'm a rookie to drums, won't wake up the neighbourhood, and at the same time is upgradeable. I live in Thunder Bay right now, but since I'm moving back to the Toronto area after I graduate in June, I won't have to wait too long to play it. My practice pad will have to suffice for now. |
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