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Henry Plainview 
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 Posted: January 11 2010 at 22:43 |
 Kashmir75 wrote:
Certainly, the concept of 'albums' dies as soon as physical media does.
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Why? There's no reason for it to. People like Pitchfork go on and on about the death of the album, usually in conjuction with Kid A being the last album, but that's stupid. It's only gone for people who weren't interested in the concept of an album in the first place. Do you think John Zorn or Sleepytime Gorilla Museum are going to start writing pop songs just because you buy their album as a download instead of a CD?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 12 2010 at 07:42 |
jampa17 wrote:
I want to by some vynils and I don't have where to reproduce it... it's more like fetishism... for collection... for emotinoal matters... |
Since this topic has come up more times than I can count since I've been on this site in some form or the other, I always have to drop in this cartoon: 
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 12 2010 at 07:44
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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missinglink07
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Posted: January 13 2010 at 17:48 |
I'm a product of the digital age, so almost all of my music is digital. I only own 16 CDs, most of which I couldn't legally download online  (like good ol' King Crimson; I just need Lizard before I own all their 70's material).
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Kestrel
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Posted: January 13 2010 at 20:32 |
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I don't have issues with CDs going away. They're just digital files on a disc. CDs have more in common with downloads than they do with vinyl, in my opinion.
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rdtprog
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Posted: January 14 2010 at 06:23 |
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I don't think they were still a lot of CD's left in 2019. If i can't buy cd's, i will have to buy a MP3 player with a large memory and find a way to preserve those MP3 on some CD that can keep a lot of files in it.
Edited by rdtprog - January 14 2010 at 06:24
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Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness.
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guitargods2009
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Posted: January 14 2010 at 23:37 |
Commerially produced CD's will probably fade sometime this decade like how the compact cassette tape did in the earlier part of the previous decade .So the mp3, ipod, blah, blah, blah will be with us for some time. But for a tangable format vinyl is king and making a big comeback if not already. It's the only time proven format that still with us after over a century. Sure they've fallen out of mainstream popularity in last 15 or 20 so years but sales of new vinyl are picking up again in a big way. Heck my band releases stuff on vinyl in addition to downloads, etc. All the other formats may be more convienent but are boring as f*ck in my opinion and in addition are not true to form.
Edited by guitargods2009 - January 14 2010 at 23:39
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mono
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Posted: January 15 2010 at 02:23 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Since this topic has come up more times than I can count since I've been on this site in some form or the other, I always have to drop in this cartoon:
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hehehe, thank you for that, helped me start the day!
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
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NecronCommander
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 10:24 |
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I sincerely hope and pray that CDs do not disappear soon. I love buying CDs and having the whole physical album so much more than buying electronically.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:26 |
Anybody who says physical media will stop being sold is an idiot.
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clarke2001
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:32 |
JLocke wrote:
Anybody who says physical media will stop being sold is an idiot.
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But why? It seems quite possible scenario.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:35 |
^ Not at all. As long as there is still a market for something, it will still be made available. Just look at vinyl.
No . . . I expect purely digital media and physical media to co-exist for quite some time. And even when/if physical media no longer becomes the norm, there will still be a collector's market for it.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:54 |
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I honestly think that the CD will be gone be 2019, but I highly doubt that physical media will EVER go away. I'd estimate that by 2019 SACD's will have completely replaced CD's, but MP3's will never completely replace physical media.
Audiophiles, collectors, and people like me who like to actually physically own something will be enough to keep the CD/SACD market alive and well. I love MP3's as temporary samples of bands, but I will always buy the album in physical form if I enjoy it.
-Jeff
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 12:07 |
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^ Jeff, what makes you think a virtually unknown format such as SACD will ever gain an edge over CD?
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CPicard
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 12:32 |
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Well, a lot of people are expecting the disappearance of the CD, but, since the lifetime of the mp3 files is rather dubious (evolution of the technology, problems of formats from a media to another, quick obsolescence), I guess many people will ask for any physical format to keep their music for more time than 10 or 15 years.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 12:49 |
CPicard wrote:
. . . a lot of people are expecting the disappearance of the CD . . . |
^ 'A lot of people' tend to be wrong. 
Edited by JLocke - February 27 2010 at 12:55
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CPicard
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 14:12 |
We can say that. In a manner, this discussion makes me think of some pronostics of the past: it had been said that radio was about to kill the book and the newspapers; it had been said that cinema was about to kill radio, theater and books; it had been said that TV was about to kill cinema, books and radio... Now, we hear: "Internet is killing the press, the TV and the radio" or "MP3 will kill CD". I wonder why people can't accept the idea of a possible future in which music would be available in every format: CD, LP, MP3, DVD or even K7...
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J-Man
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 15:11 |
JLocke wrote:
^ Jeff, what makes you think a virtually unknown format such as SACD will ever gain an edge over CD? |
It's virtually unknown.... as of right now. Once the technology becomes less expensive to make, I'm confident that it will eventually get the edge over the CD. It's not going to happen over night (I think it should take at least 10 years), but the sound quality on SACD's is a hell of a lot better than on CD's, and I think because of that it will eventually edge the CD.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 15:34 |
CPicard wrote:
We can say that.
In a manner, this discussion makes me think of some pronostics of the past: it had been said that radio was about to kill the book and the newspapers; it had been said that cinema was about to kill radio, theater and books; it had been said that TV was about to kill cinema, books and radio...
Now, we hear: "Internet is killing the press, the TV and the radio" or "MP3 will kill CD". I wonder why people can't accept the idea of a possible future in which music would be available in every format: CD, LP, MP3, DVD or even K7...
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That's exactly my feeling. I find it hard to believe that a future exists in which only one format of entertainment is accepted.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 15:37 |
J-Man wrote:
JLocke wrote:
^ Jeff, what makes you think a virtually unknown format such as SACD will ever gain an edge over CD? |
It's virtually unknown.... as of right now.
Once the technology becomes less expensive to make, I'm confident that it will eventually get the edge over the CD. It's not going to happen over night (I think it should take at least 10 years), but the sound quality on SACD's is a hell of a lot better than on CD's, and I think because of that it will eventually edge the CD.
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^ Yeah, but if CD is going the way of the dodo like you seem to think, why would people be game for yet another version of the very think they just 'moved on' from? 
Now, bear in mind, I'm looking at this situation through the current general opinion. Me personally not believing at all that physical media is dying, can see a more possible way of SACD of HDCD type stuff catching on one day.
However, that technology is already over a decade old. I just don't see how that particular case can be made. Maybe a higher-dynamic physical music form WILL come along one day that blows CD away, but as it stands right now nobody cares about SACD except for the most die-hard of audiophiles.
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:11 |
I use all forms of media...I'm an old vinyl freak, even have a few 8tracks laying around. I embrace digital media, love mp3 because they are easily played (Zune, iPod, car systems, home, computers....).
With speakers that can handle the digital format the sound is amazing thru a home system. I remember back in the 70's it was all about watts, who had the receiver with the most watts output...Now it is more about 5.1 and 7.1 digital processing. Audio receiver pricing is pretty cheap, speaker pricing has held to the higher side...makes sense.
I doubt the CD goes away, as long as there are buyers it will remain....at least thru 2012 
I download a lot....Subscription music service is gonna get more popular, just like movie subscription has pushed out Hollywood Video. If you explore music and all genres as much as I do, I'd have to be a multi-millionaire to buy all the CD's I listen to. I pefer the subscription format, then if I like something I will buy a hardcopy or just buy the rented music and burn to a CD.
I do agree with the advent of CD's from vinyl, the artwork is what is lost, the liner notes, the big double album covers and so on....I do miss that.
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