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    Posted: February 19 2010 at 21:28
I just got this last week, and it has been in my CD player ever since. I love this band. I liked Colors a lot, but I found it to be too chaotic, too many switches in the music without a transitions. To me, they have greatly improved on this with The Great Misdirect. The music is so much more cohesive, yet they keep that wonderful complexity. I'm glad to hear more clean vocals. The screams are the only thing I have a problem with, and let me make it clear, I love metal with screaming. Mikkael Akerfeldt is one of my favorite metal vocalists, for both his clean and death metal vocals. But BtBaM's are so monotone, there is no variation, always at that same pitch. Listening, it sounds like he has the potential to get lower and highe rranges out of his screams, he just doesn;t do it. It is a little bit better than Colors, but not by much.

I was reading over the reviews, and I don't really get some of the low review criticisms (I couldn't help but notice the one star ratings didn't even bother posting a review). I read that a lot of them thought the music was monotonous, that when the metal started there was no vaiation. What? I haven't heard many other metal albums with as much variation as The Great Misdirect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 00:14
I went through a period of simply liking it at the beginning, then I thought it was merely ok, especially compared to Colors. I've been listening to it at least once a week now and can totally appreciate the fact that BTBAM have created an almost entirely melodic album. I think there are a few weak-ish spots and it's not as emotionally engaging as they have been in the past, but I can still love it. I particularly enjoy Obfuscation and Disease, Injury, Madness, though I think I'm  playing the devil's advocate by not adoring Swim To the Moon (I have this thing when people think 'epics' are the best, so I think I'm generally skeptical of them).
 
I just have a hard time saying I love it when they've created Colors, which in my opinion is flawless, so it's really hard for it to compete.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 05:21
If you noted my schizophrenic review, you will have noticed that I've gone through quite a change in regards to this band.
I'm still not too fond of the hard-core vocals. They miss that horror kind of edge that death metal vocals like Akerfeldt's have. I only hear aggression in hard-core shouts, which becomes off-putting after a while.
Also the metal riffs the play underneath aren't always that interesting.

But that's about 20% of what constitutes their style. The rest is amazing and verrry Prog!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 13:57
Yeah, the harsh vocals are the weak spot. But if you ever see them live, or watch some of their studio footage, you'll see he is outting everything he has into those screams, which kind of makes up for it in my mind. He definitely isn't phoning it in, even if it may sound like it.

Another thing I forgot to mention about this album, and this goes for Colors too, is how well it's recorded.  I love when you can hear every instrument, especially the bass, because their bass player is phenomenal. I also love how Richardson has his drums sounding.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 21:56
Enjoyable and solid album, but far from being something REALLY special for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 22:12
Colors has quite a few production flaws actually (referring to the mix mainly). Some subjective, others not so much.
Slightly too strong in the low mids (which has the effect of clouding the upper frequencies).
Lack of automation where they should have been (for eg. 12:10 into White Walls, the drums overpower the guitar solo, when all it would have took to have sorted that out with some volume automation on the drums and guitars).

More from a subjective standpoint I find the overheads to be a little muffled and not defined enough. The snare drum sounds great though.
The rest of the mix ain't bad really though. I really love the guitar tones BTBAM have had on the last 3 albums, and the bass guitar has blended very well into the guitars which is not easy to do


Also, about the vocals, I'm not hearing this supposed "hardcore" vocal at allConfused I can think of plenty of death metal bands that have higher pitch growls than BTBAM (Arch Enemy, Death as just two examples) and plenty of bands that have growls at around the same pitch as Tommy's vocals (Miseration, old In Flames).
It pays to actually LISTEN and to A/B tracks from other bands against BTBAM's vocals, rather than just spewing the preconceived notion that because of their aesthetic they must have "hardcore" vocals, you'd actually hear they are death growls just the same as in death metal.
Yes, sometimes he does the higher pitched stuff, but for the most part on the last 2 albums he's been doing death growls.
When you get rid of preconceived notions, they stop coloring what you hear and you can be properly perceptive of what you hear.

As an example, listen to say, the band Darkest Hour and A/B the vocals with stuff off Colors, and you will hear that the Colors vocals are NOTHING like metalcore screams.
Then proceed to compare the vocals to something like old In Flames or Miseration and hear how similar it can sound at points


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 23:26
I disagree with your point about the vocals. He has a fine range, and he's putting all of his heart into them. And if he did too much, it would clutter up the sound too much; his vocal work allows the instruments to do more while he's growling/screaming.
 
The Great Misdirect is a very, very good album, but I still place Colors way on top.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 23:33
^Hell yeah man.
If anything, there aren't many vocalists who are as passionate about what they do as Tommy. Not a lot of guys can do the clean singing AND death growl thing with ease either. He's in a rare field there
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 00:06
Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I hear little to no range. He is always at the same pitch, and on Colors it gets a bit grating for me. I look at some other metal vocalists out there now (harsh vocal wise) and Tommy's just don't measure up. Two that come to mind are the vocalists of Lamb of God and All Shall Perish. Now those guys can hit it all. Low, high, even some gutturals. And I don't really know what people mean by "hardcore" vocals. BtBaM's definitely belong more to the death metal vain, though.

And I like how Tommy does clean and harsh vocals, and they sound great and the transitions between the two sound great on the albums, but when I saw 'em live when they toured with DT, this wasn't really the case. He was off on pretty much all the clean vocals, at some points making me cringe. I know it's hard to go from screaming to singing on a dime. I guess I'm just used to Mikael Akerfeldt's seemless live performances.

Overall, though, the vocals are a minor complaint, and not really a complaint at that, because I do like them, and having more clean vocals on The Great Misdirect takes away that grating Colors had for me. I just think Tommy has the potential to be so much better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 16:15
If it wasnt for maudlin of the Well, I would have voted for TGM as my album of the year. Fossil Genera and Disease, Injury, Madness are quickly become two of my favourite songs, though I have to admit that Swim to the Moon doesnt quite beat out White Walls as the epic of the band. And I love Tommy's vocals, he's very expressive whichever style he's singing in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 16:18
The Great Misdirect is one of my favorite albums in 2009. It's really a wonderfully crafted album, filled with interesting passages. One of the best modern prog metal bands IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 17:46
^Agreed. I read on an Amazon review that stated BtBaM were moving into Opeth territory. I have to agree. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 17:58
^I'd say that with the more blatant melodic parts, it's moving to more of a "prog metal" genre rather "tech/extreme", even though it still belongs in the latter. I'm just saying they sound more like Dream Theater in TGM than any of their previous releases.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 18:14
I have to disagree with the Opeth statement. TGM sounds nothing like Opeth in my opinion.

Whereas Opeth is more dark and melancholic, BtBaM has more extended soloing and more energetic sections than the dark moods of Opeth. I would say on TGM, BtBaM sound like Dream Theater with added death metal and metalcore influences.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 18:35
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

I disagree with your point about the vocals. He has a fine range, and he's putting all of his heart into them. And if he did too much, it would clutter up the sound too much; his vocal work allows the instruments to do more while he's growling/screaming.
 
The Great Misdirect is a very, very good album, but I still place Colors way on top.

This and TGM sounds in no way like Opeth.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 20:49
I didn't mean they were sounding like Opeth (this is how I'm interpreting that reviewer's comment), just that they are reaching that same creative level. I agree, I hear a lot of DT in them, but they are doing a lot more original things than DT ever did (recently, anyways). When it comes to prog metal, I put Opeth way above pretty much any band on the scene right now, and I think BtBaM is getting to that point. 
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