A new prog sub-genre : post punk

J-Man wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: So we leave out the most progressive and forward-thinking bands of the 80s because they're not mad for mellotrons?   No, because this is a PROGRESSIVE ROCK SITE, and those bands no matter how good they were are not Prog,..The Mellotron argument is absurd, a Prog band may play with bagpipes, or even without keyboards and still be Prog.   Yes, we have admited non Prog bands, but it was a mistake (in some cases) but a first mistake doesn't justify a second one, except in logic classes, two wrong statements don't make a good one.   If somebody hits you in the eye, you don't crash your other eye in a door to make it even...In the same way if a non Prog band is added, you accept it, rant if you want, but don't add another non Prog band saying "If one is here, a sexcond doesn't matter", that is absurd, each new non Prog band added makes us loose more credibility.   Iván what's that? (sorry, had to lighten up some of these discussions a little bit)

1. I'm repressed because my girlfriend is out of Lima and only thinking in sex
2. My progressive glasses (those who allow you to watch distant objects and also to read) are not working as expected.

Most likely the second. The damn glasses are very hard to get used to.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 18 2010 at 21:53

Prog and Porn certainly have one thing in common: No-one can define either but everyone says they know it when they hear/see it.

JLocke wrote: Bonnek wrote:   1) Not adding bands is not an option. That is the same as becoming irrelevant. Sure it is. We deny bands from inclusion all the time here. As someone corrected me already, I meant "Not adding bands at all." 2) Adding bands the way it's done now must be a hell of a job for those involved and creates many new additions that are frowned upon. Especially in the subs ExitTheL mentionned. Every band that is added ultimately fits the sub-genre they end up in, otherwise they wouldn't get added. If some members don't like those bands, it doesn't have any baring on what the team leaders say. That's how it should be. Completely agree. My suggestion below is only for the relief of people who don't want to see the Bowie, Sabbath or My Dying Bride reviews on the front page. 3) So is there an alternative? Could PA indulge a general rock or whatever section? No. The closest we have to that is 'Prog-Related', and that should give enough elbow room to satisfy anybody.  Sure it does, but I think the non-prog reviews thread of TheGazzardian is an excellent idea. Only, with those reviews in a thread it will not be very practical to look them up. So that's why I would support Finnforest's idea to have a separate sub "All Rock" or "Other Stuff we Love", where all collaborator's could add any band they want, providing they add bio's, full disco, reviews, etc. Any review in this section wouldn't even have to appear on the home site.

ExittheLemming wrote: theBox wrote: I post again, firstly to show my support to JLocke, Ivan and all the others who see that the all-inclusive site policy is getting a little (to put it mildly) out of hand. Secondly, I would like to point out (although it may seem naive to some), that I am VERY frustrated to visit the site (which I do very often) in hopes of reading a review of some gem that somehow went off my radar up until now, only to find out that the main page (the one  with the new reviews) is LITTERED (yes LITTERED!!!!) reviews of IRON MAIDEN, METALLICA, My Dying Bride (WTF???), DAVID BOWIE, Black Sabbath, X generic post rock band etc etc... I agree with and sympathize with what yer saying but do you have any concrete proposals that would improve the situation ? (BTW I don't have anything substantive to offer in this regard but would hope that some of the more senior site members may have some ideas)

Aren't we exaggerating now? If I look at the last 50 reviews at this moment, there's one MDB review, one Metallica and one what you would call generic Post-band (Isis). That's 3 out of 50.
The rest pretty much looks like regular prog to me.


Edited by Bonnek - February 19 2010 at 05:16

Bonnek wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: theBox wrote: I post again, firstly to show my support to JLocke, Ivan and all the others who see that the all-inclusive site policy is getting a little (to put it mildly) out of hand. Secondly, I would like to point out (although it may seem naive to some), that I am VERY frustrated to visit the site (which I do very often) in hopes of reading a review of some gem that somehow went off my radar up until now, only to find out that the main page (the one  with the new reviews) is LITTERED (yes LITTERED!!!!) reviews of IRON MAIDEN, METALLICA, My Dying Bride (WTF???), DAVID BOWIE, Black Sabbath, X generic post rock band etc etc... I agree with and sympathize with what yer saying but do you have any concrete proposals that would improve the situation ? (BTW I don't have anything substantive to offer in this regard but would hope that some of the more senior site members may have some ideas) Aren't we exaggerating now? If I look at the last 50 reviews at this moment, there's one MDB review, one Metallica and one what you would call generic Post-band (Isis). That's 3 out of 50. The rest pretty much looks like regular prog to me.

Actually, we are not. It just happens that today the phenomenon is in regression. Some other days, I just scroll and scroll down, wishing that Iron Maiden had a less expansive discography.

ExittheLemming wrote: theBox wrote: I post again, firstly to show my support to JLocke, Ivan and all the others who see that the all-inclusive site policy is getting a little (to put it mildly) out of hand. Secondly, I would like to point out (although it may seem naive to some), that I am VERY frustrated to visit the site (which I do very often) in hopes of reading a review of some gem that somehow went off my radar up until now, only to find out that the main page (the one  with the new reviews) is LITTERED (yes LITTERED!!!!) reviews of IRON MAIDEN, METALLICA, My Dying Bride (WTF???), DAVID BOWIE, Black Sabbath, X generic post rock band etc etc... I agree with and sympathize with what yer saying but do you have any concrete proposals that would improve the situation ? (BTW I don't have anything substantive to offer in this regard but would hope that some of the more senior site members may have some ideas)

Well, does deleting Prog Related, X-treme and Post Rock/Metal altogether, count as a concrete proposal? No? Yeah,  I wouldn't think it did...
Joke aside,  I think that  Prog Related (AT THE VERY LEAST) reviews, should not be shown in the site's main page, and that is my recomendation.

By the way, did anyone care to look at All Music. Check the Experimental Rock section

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:4437

Prog-Rock Post-Punk Kraut Rock Post-Rock

No Wave Proto-Punk Neo-Psychedelia Noise-Rock

Progressive Metal Neo-Prog Math Rock Canterbury Scene

theBox wrote: Well, does deleting Prog Related, X-treme and Post Rock/Metal altogether, count as a concrete proposal? No? Yeah,  I wouldn't think it did... Joke aside,  I think that  Prog Related (AT THE VERY LEAST) reviews, should not be shown in the site's main page, and that is my recomendation.

If something like that should happen, I would immediately retire all my reviews or other contributions from the site. I am not the kind of person to resort to threats, but this would be taking things too far. I have reviewed a relatively large number of PR albums, because I believe they can be of interest to prog fans, as well as genuinely related to the genre, and I - like the others - have the right not to see them confined into a ghetto just because some people are offended by seeing those reviews on the front page.

All the prog sites currently active, as well as the magazines, nowadays feature a variety of bands and artists that are not conventionally prog - the site I review for, ProgressoR, has been in existence twice as long as PA (started in 1998), and we get some stuff to review that has really very little to do with prog. I have an album at home that sounds like the soundtrack for a soft-porn movie! On the latest issue of Progression Magazine there was a review of a techno album, and on Sea of Tranquility they have recently added a review of The Clash's London Calling - not to mention the variety of non-prog reviews featured on ProgressiveEars. And those sites continue to have a healthy flow of visitors, in spite of what some of you might believe. I am sorry if this post offends someone (it is not my intention), but I really don't get why people cannot enjoy the site for what it offers (which is a lot), and ignore what they don't like, without trying to impose their ideas on others.

^ here! here!  

Edited by Dean - February 19 2010 at 06:05

WalterDigsTunes wrote: So we leave out the most progressive and forward-thinking bands of the 80s because they're not mad for mellotrons?