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Windhawk
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Topic: Dream Theater - Prog or not? Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:11 |
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To sum up a heated debate - a poll that (hopefully) gives all the options stated therein.
I hope everyone with a point of view on the topic will make this a highly visited and used poll :-) Edited by Windhawk - February 18 2010 at 17:38 |
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rpe9p
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:22 | |
oh god not this again
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:25 | |
Olav, you should make this thread vote only with no comments, with a link to the other thread where comments can be made. That way the comments are kept together.
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Windhawk
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:25 | |
Yeah, it's been done a few times before *chuckles*
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:27 | |
Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yikes......
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Epignosis
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:29 | |
Poll only is always a bad idea simply because the thread will never be bumped and it will get lost very quickly. |
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The T
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:30 | |
Last one.
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:30 | |
And that is a bad idea why? He could always add the comment, bump the thread, and close the comment again.
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Windhawk
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:41 | |
I've linked to the other debate now at least. Think I'll leave the space open for comments here as well. Those with an opinion on the debate in question will probably manage to find it and give their say there ;-)
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:44 | |
Olav i vote for the first option, i only participate in the "heaten" debate only because i do not consider them a "legend" right now.
Cheers.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:45 | |
And what is "pog" metal that you referring in the second option? |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 17:48 | |
First option for sure.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 18:39 | |
I'm still completely clueless as to how people can possibly deny Dream Theater as a prog band. First option (and maybe the second) are the only ones that even remotely make sense.
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Logan
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 19:37 | |
Dream Theater creates Prog music, it does not exclusively create Prog music to my knowledge. I consider it part of the greater Prog scene. I consider metal to be a subset of rock, which makes its music both Progressive Metal and less narrowly Progressive Rock. I do not think of bands as Prog per se as I do music as Prog (though if one is shortening this from being part of the Prog movement, creating Prog-styled music, or part of the greater Prog scene then I might let this lie -- I know it's implied). Also, it rather bugs me somewhat since many bands deemed Prog also make non-Prog music so the dichotomy does not work for me much of the time
Further down the list, I don't believe that bands under the Prog-scene umbrella need be progressive (as an adjective), nor are many bands/artists that make progressive music Prog (many have been outside of the rock/metal universe). I'm not sure how progressive (as in moving music forward, innovation, and expanding the lexicon of what rock/metal music can be, or music generally) Dream Theater is (of course being progressive infers innovation rather than pure invention) but I find it quite conventional in approach (so not very progressive -- more Prog by style than Prog by approach to use the ratingfreak terminology). Ultimately, no vote. The music does not strike me as terribly progressive (but that's not to say that it hasn't progressed metal). I do think the band makes music fits the greater Prog scene, but as I said, I don't really consider bands Prog; I consider music itself Prog or not, or Prog by degree commonly. Edited by Logan - February 18 2010 at 19:40 |
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 19:47 | |
No vote. Depends entirely on what you're talking about. Even their best albums (I love Awake, for instance) don't strike me as being genuinely progressive.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 19:54 | |
Oh give over folks, they are a prog band through and through. Doesn't mean they are any good though does it
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Logan
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:15 | |
It certainly doesn't. If music being Prog was dependant upon quality (rather than
qualities), most of the bands in the archives, and a number of
categories, would be discarded -- leaving only
my, and people with similarly good tastes -- favourites. ;) Anyway, there's not much worse than cookie-cutter Prog (Prog-by-numbers), and could Dream Theater ever be accused of that?
Edited by Logan - February 18 2010 at 20:16 |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:18 | |
If you discount Dance of Eternity then... Oh wait nevermind
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:18 | |
You mean only Jazz Rock, and any sub-genre that shares even a tiny bit of relation with jazz, right? I would be ok with that, yeah.
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kawkaw123
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 00:35 | |
Wow i'm surprised that anyone could think that dream theater is not Progressive.
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