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    Posted: February 17 2010 at 14:56
Since the previous post-punk thread suggested as a new prog subgenre was moved to general music discussion, I created a new one.
 
Here is a link to the previous thread : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65144
 
rock and metal are not prog per se, a "post" subgenre of each re represented ghere in PA, but punk has not this chance, although ot is just as experimental as the above-mentioned and just like rock and metal punk is not prog per se.
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:10
There are already post-punk bands on the site, like Dear Hunter and The Mars Volta and emo bands, like Coheed and Cambria.

I don't see the need of it, really.

EDIT: these bands will eventually fit in any preexistent genre on the site. Too much work over not so expressive results.

EDIT 2: We even have post-hardcore/metalcore bands on the progressive metal, which i don't consider to be heavy metal, like Between the Buried and Me and Protest the Hero. Again, unnecessary, at least in my opinion.


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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

There are already post-punk bands on the site, like Dear Hunter and The Mars Volta and emo bands, like Coheed and Cambria.

I don't see the need of it, really.
Post-punk bands ? Post-punk refers to bands that arose at the end of the seventies / early eighties. The ones you mentioned are linked to the alternative rock/ grunge movement.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:19
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

There are already post-punk bands on the site, like Dear Hunter and The Mars Volta and emo bands, like Coheed and Cambria.

I don't see the need of it, really.
Post-punk bands ? Post-punk refers to bands that arose at the end of the seventies / early eighties. The ones you mentioned are linked to the alternative rock/ grunge movement.


Well, the band from whose ashes TMV arose, At the Drive-In, is generally considered a post-hardcore outifit, not an alternative/grunge one (whatever those labels mean - personally, I find most of them slightly ridiculous).
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Post-hardcore =/= post-punk

You're off by a decade. It helps to know that the original post-hardcore bands (think Fugazi) arose out of American hardcore bands from the 80s.
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Post-hardcore =/= post-punk

You're off by a decade. It helps to know that the original post-hardcore bands (think Fugazi) arose out of American hardcore bands from the 80s.


Not an expert of the genre. I was just reporting what I have always heard. I suppose that's still allowed on this site.
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post-hardcore = a new prog-subgenre ?
Seriously think about bands like Tusk, if it's not "progressive " I have to leave this site for good.
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:34
Can't we all agree that they are alternative bands and call it a day? LOL
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alternative rock and hardcore stem from punk, not from prog.
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:49
Yes, I know.

But like I said Lucas, these bands could be put in other already existing sub-genres. Look at The Cardiacs, they are a pronk band, and still there is no pronk on progarchives because either the genre is too small or it is unnecessary to make a new genre for bands that fit on other sub-genres.

Actually, my opinion also weights very unfavorably towards progressive electronic, but  there are essential electronic artists listed in the site but outside the genre, so I am starting to think it exists over political reasons than actually practical reasons, but anyway. . .

i have already gave examples of bands that are punk influenced / come from punk sub-genres that are on the website on genres and everybody seems to be satisfied with it. Besides, the genre wouldn't b e quite uniform. The Mars Volta, ,Coheed & Cambria, Between the Buried and Me, The Dear Hunter and Protest the Hero have very few common features besides the fact they all are punk influenced / come from punk sub-genres
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:53
How about this? Post-hardcore for all those American bands from the late 80s on and post-punk for all those British bands from the late 70s on? Both elements happen to go beyond the usual 4/4 three chord spitball bonanza but they do so in very different ways under very different production values.
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What is "Prog" about Post-Punk?
 
I love Post Punk and always have, but in many ways (eventhough there are undeniable Art Rock and Krautrock roots in some of the pioneer Post Punk bands) it was the antithesis of Prog.
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 16:34
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

What is "Prog" about Post-Punk?
 
I love Post Punk and always have, but in many ways (eventhough there are undeniable Art Rock and Krautrock roots in some of the pioneer Post Punk bands) it was the antithesis of Prog.
 
It is Progressive in terms of moving music forward.  And is certainly not the attithesis of Prog if it was then Japan wouldn't be here or Dead Can Dance for example. 
 
Although I don't disagree with you I am kind of confused as to what prog is and could ask the same question about post rock and maybe even some metal genres ie What is prog about? 
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:40
I'm just waiting for the thread about adding nu-metal.  I mean, they -did- have an emphasis on strange rhythms and textures...not that it means it's got a place here. Stern Smile
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Points: 8774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:53
I don't know the full story, but I don't think that having post-rock and post-metal means that we need post-everything here. From my understanding, post-blank usually just means music that came after blank, and does not have any unified meaning. So I don't see what post-punk even has to do with post-rock.

That being said, I don't know anything about post-punk so whether or not it fits here, I will not comment.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:22
This is not a good idea . . . 
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Points: 2779 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:25
Oh God, who cares.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:29
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Oh God, who cares.

I thought this thread was placed here for everybody to give their opinion. 
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 23:34
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Oh God, who cares.

I thought this thread was placed here for everybody to give their opinion. 



I believe this man would support the above's right to voice his opinion in the manner that he did, hrm?-
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Yes . . . that IS my avatar . . . 
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