Grateful Dead- Not Even Prog-Related? Really?

Easy Money wrote: Hey Raff, I think the standards for JR have gotten tighter too. I think a lot of this is my fault as I am more about quality than quantity. I don't know of any high-profile bands in PR that seem terribly out of place, and a recent cleanup of JR only yielded one band that had to be deleted. The tightening of PR was inevitable as we were getting more and more hard rock/metal suggestions trying to push the boundries of PR, and yet no suggestions of other music that has influenced prog, for instance Morricone, The Shadows, Sun Ra or Les Baxter. I'm not saying those guys should be in PR, but if the site is going to expand, let's do it uniformally. Personally I would support more proggy artists from an RnB background, but that's just me. I think the site must expand to stay alive and relevant, but always doing it through PR seems like a weak way to go to me, just my opinion. Overall though, I don't really have a problem with anyone in PR, I just give up on trying to move Metallica to prog metal, ha ha, but as the site expands and developes, genres are going to be seen in different ways. P.S. the third criteria is a joke about me finally getting Hendrix in proto, ha ha.

I'd like to see all of those names in.  I don't really support The Grateful Dead, but understand why others would call for it.  Re. Sun Ra, I would have thought he had a pretty good case for Jazz Rock Fusion rather than just a related category.

EDIT: Inbcidentally, regarding Morricone, I love these:




Re Sun Ra: not my favourite album of his, though I like it a lot,  but the album Languidity is very apt for PA:





Edited by Logan - February 02 2010 at 16:20

Prog related are handicaped, because you cannot search for them with custom search (genre - year - country search) and they do not appear in any other related listings, such as top200 albums. Uncertain is also, how we, reviewers should rate them, or even how to treat them (if like prog, or if like prog-related, which means advantage). The only way how to seek for prog related bands is to go upwards and select "prog related" subgenre page.

Do you want to create progressive soundtrack (classical) genre ? We can have also category for classical music composers, this would cut these discussion how much Mozart was progressive in half. Oh and before I forget, this whole situation seems to me like this:

We should decide whether to stay strict and be very careful what gets here and what not, to be like old virgin (joke of course), or to open gates, at least partially. I'm for latter choice, but I don't want to see Tokio Hotel, Blink 182, or Linkin Park (no, just shout big nooo) here.

Aoxomoxoa, Live Dead, Wake of the Flood,Mars Hotel, Blues for Allah, Terrapin Station are the masterpieces of american progressive rock, in my opinion.

Edited by ko - February 03 2010 at 04:35

Not being overly familiar with their catalog, Terrapin Station had some good prog stuff on it , but then they had a Terrapin Station Part 1 song and as far as I know never did a part 2 on any subsequent album.  By the way if any fans know that isn't correct, let me know what album it showed up on.

Negoba wrote: I have a better idea....let's remove the Prog-Related category from PA. These arguments about non-prog bands that are already widely known are pointless!!!!   STOP IT!!!

What he said - even if I would lose some 40 reviews.

ko wrote: Negoba wrote: I have a better idea....let's remove the Prog-Related category from PA. These arguments about non-prog bands that are already widely known are pointless!!!!   STOP IT!!! That idea is just a crime! Imo, you guys have to make the Prog Related category of Prog Related ALBUMS, not the bands at all! Only albums, and that is that. Very simple! For example> Tommy,  Quadrophenia and Who Are You by The Who, then Mars Hotel, Blues for Allah and Terrapin Station by The Dead, In Rock by Deep Purple, etc, etc.

I like Progrelated, always have, and it has little to do with seeing favorite non-prog bands on the site but rather the idea that some bands were indeed, among other things, related to Prog.  I mean, why not?  Does anyone deny prog's huge impact on the music scene in general or the incestuous connections between prog and non-prog groups?  Would we rather pretend Prog did not once briefly rule the world or was not cutting edge popular music that started showing up in everything from TV theme songs to, yes, records by hippie acid bands?

 

Negoba wrote: ko wrote: Negoba wrote: I have a better idea....let's remove the Prog-Related category from PA. These arguments about non-prog bands that are already widely known are pointless!!!!   STOP IT!!! That idea is just a crime! Imo, you guys have to make the Prog Related category of Prog Related ALBUMS, not the bands at all! Only albums, and that is that. Very simple! For example> Tommy,  Quadrophenia and Who Are You by The Who, then Mars Hotel, Blues for Allah and Terrapin Station by The Dead, In Rock by Deep Purple, etc, etc.   We all agree but it's not the way things are done here for some reason. There are logistical issues to reviewing each single album but even though Miles Davis' _Kind of Blue_ and _Birth of the Cool_ are absolute masterpiece albums, they have no place here.   I guess Invisible Touch doesn't either, but that's another can of worms.   In any case, the decisions are made by artist rather than album.

Agreed with your opinion about Miles albums you mentioned above but there are albums as Miles in The Sky, Fillies De Killimanjaro, In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew..On The Corner..etc, what ought to be at PA, and you know the reason why. Thats so big problem because those prog related/no prog related band  discussions are gonna to be continued to forever if you will not make a decision to cut it and to put PR albums in the category only.  In that case, everything is gonna be much more easy for the collaborators, teams, admin group, and for the forum members also.  No doubt!

I do think they deserve to be here, but can we please calm down with the prog related bands? Look at the all of the prog metal bands that are cleared for addition:

http://progfreak.com/go/home/progarchives?path=pm/cleared

These bands are all full-blown prog metal, and yet they're not even on the archives - yet we're arguing about Grateful Dead? Here's 11 more pages of bands we're still undecided about:

http://progfreak.com/home/progarchives?path=pm/nw

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but there are so many bands that are actually progressive rock out there that need to be added. We've already discussed Grateful Dead in the past, and they have not been approved.

-Jeff