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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2009 at 15:19
Originally posted by Neil Palfreyman Neil Palfreyman wrote:


With regard to your comments about Nick  ... catch him after a gig sometime and have a chat.  I can guarantee that you really, really couldn't wish to meet a more down to earth and likeable guy.


Neil, I can only wholeheartedly agree with you! A few years back Pendragon was playing a festival in Holland and I had the opportunity to interview Clive Nolan. Afterwards we had a chat with him, me and my wife, which was really nice. And at a later show, he even took the time to explain many little details about the cover of the Not of This World album!

So no, he is not in love with himself, nor is he an over the top guy, like Gene Simmons or Jack Black. He is passionate about the music, as that is his life! And he cares for his fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2010 at 17:19
Dear MM

I agree with you that Pendragon is a school band.

They school people how to have fun and enjoy great music with out all the BS solemnity that usually goes hand in hand with this kind of music. As far as I'm concerned most prog fans watch shows like the two old geezers up in the balcony from the Muppets. They are so critical of everything that they forget to enjoy the show I don't even understand why they waste so much time and money buying tickets or cds.

I know very well of the trials and tribulations that Pendragon has gone thru just to keep the band alive. I have had the pleasure to deal with Nick since the early 90's. I organized shows for Pendragon and Arena in Argentina. I distributed their CDs for many years. In a few weeks I will be in Bolivia seeing Clive present his project Caamora. I can honestly consider Nick, Clive, Pete and Rachel to be my friends. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Scott yet, but I'm sure that will be taken care of by RosFest in April 2010. I've also dealt with quite a few other proggers and NOBODY puts on such a great show. The balance between technical brilliance, powerful message and giving it 101% for your loyal followers is second to none.

Personally I'm so sick and tired of the "how dare they smile and enjoy themselves on stage!!!" attitude so common and widespread among prog fans. What's a matter with having fun and a good laugh? For a lot of hard core prog fans Its as if it is a sin to jump, shout, and enjoy yourself instead of demeaning everything that goes on and basically telling everyone that somebody else does real prog and you just listen to these guys because it's the only thing reasonably tolerable nowadays. Let alone a prog fan commit the most capital sin of all, use the "D" word with prog. When I say the "D" word I mean dance.

People who listen to this kind of music are allegedly searching for something better, original or deeper, they claim to be sick and tired of cookie cutter music and shows. The bottom line is every time somebody in prog doesn't fall into the Floyd, Gabriel, Yes, Crimson mold he or she is blasted by people like yourself in the name of allegedly keeping clear of the cookie cutter. So please stop thinking so high and mighty of your own opinion and your criteria of acceptable stage behavior.

I'm glad NIck and is simply who he is on stage and what's rerally great is that he's remarkably similar off  stage too. Enough of this over intelectualizing and posturing with prog.

Try this simple mix of elements; good music no matter what style plus fun both on stage and in the stands equals a great time for all involved. It's a pretty hard to beat formula as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love to have perfect attendance and be on the honor roll at the Pendragon school.



Best regards



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 13:05
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How well put!!!
 
They just don't get the genius that is Nick Barrett!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 17:37
Wow Victor, amazing first post!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 16:37
Originally posted by victorgospo victorgospo wrote:

They are so critical of everything that they forget to enjoy the show I don't even understand why they waste so much time and money buying tickets or cds.

I'm not critical of everything.  I just didn't like all the show.  I buy tickets and CDs to listen to bands.  Sometimes I like them, sometimes I don't.

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Personally I'm so sick and tired of the "how dare they smile and enjoy themselves on stage!!!" attitude so common and widespread among prog fans.
 
I don't mind people having a good time on stage.  However, in this instance, I felt it came across as a bit 'showing off' rather than 'having good time'.  I have no idea if that's how it was meant.  It's just, to me, that's how it came across.
 
Originally posted by victorgospo victorgospo wrote:


People who listen to this kind of music are allegedly searching for something better, original or deeper, they claim to be sick and tired of cookie cutter music and shows. The bottom line is every time somebody in prog doesn't fall into the Floyd, Gabriel, Yes, Crimson mold he or she is blasted by people like yourself in the name of allegedly keeping clear of the cookie cutter. 
 
I posted this review as simply as a gig review.  I did not post  in the name of allegedly keeping the 'clear of the cookie cutter' or any other pastry implement.  I have no idea how you can possibly know why I posted the review.   I had no agenda and it was done purely in the spirit wanting to express my opinion about a gig.
 
Originally posted by victorgospo victorgospo wrote:

So please stop thinking so high and mighty of your own opinion and your criteria of acceptable stage behavior.
 
I am certainly not high and mighty about my opinion.  I in no way implied that my opinion is any 'better' than anyone elses.  I never belittled anyone elses opinion; I may not have agreed with it , but I did not demean anyone's opinion. 
 
I never said there was any unacceptable stage behaviour.  I said that aspects of the stage performance were not to my taste.

I posted an honest review of a gig.  What's the point of gig reviews if you only post one if you think the gig was great?  Why have a gig review section if people cannot be allowed to express their honest opinion without being abused? 
 

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 19:07
Abused?

Wow, I don't understand how in the world you can feel abused.

You gave an opinion I gave an opinion. Where is the abuse in that?

I didn't insult you or anyone, I didn't use any foul language nor did I threaten you or anyone.

If you give a review or an opinion you must be able to take people not agreeing with it. It just proves exactly what I meant by high and mighty. You can't seem to process rationally that someone doesn't agree with your opinion and you feel abused by it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 22:16
You guys take it easy now and welcome to PA and all that good stuff. Go ahead and disagree if you want, just keep the respect. Hey Michael, you have to expect some feedback when you post an opinion, it's just the nature of the beast.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 01:51
Feedback is great.  Insults is not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 02:17
Originally posted by michaelmorris michaelmorris wrote:

Feedback is great.  Insults is not.


What I read in this post is feedback from someone who is as passionate about the show as Nick is on stage. I fail to see the insult here...

It is true that everyone has their own and often different experiences when attending a show. So you are entitled to your own experience and opinion, however when I read your experience, I seriously wonder what show you went to...because your story is so much different than any I have ever heard about a Pendragon show.

I am pretty passionate about Pendragon as well and I know the band very well. If you have even the slightest clue on how Nick had to fight and struggle to keep pendragon alive, you would understand that he will never be on stage 'showing off'. He is thankful that he can play to people who love and support the music. Just read interviews with him. And fortunately he loves what he is doing and I find that is part of the magic of Pendragon...

Just a hint that Pendragon is not some show off schoolband: They just one 4 awards at the Classic Rock Society last saturday: Best guitarist (Nick), Best keyboardist (Clive), Best drummer (Scott) and....Best concert!!!!

So my advice: either go to a Pendragon show and have a great time, or don't go and find a band that fits your expectations better.

Oh, and Victor, if you see Caamora in bolivia, you will probably meet Scott, as he is there too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 05:44
As Easy Money says, there's room for everyone here. Inevitably, not everyone is going to enjoy a gig, and their views are valid as long as they express them courteously. In the same way, they must then expect that others will wish to challenge the views they express.
 
The only phrase I can see in the challenge of Victor which is superfluous is "So please stop thinking so high and mighty of your own opinion and your criteria of acceptable stage behavior" which risks making the debate personal. Remember too though that the artists are also entitled to be treated with respect.
 
Incidentally, I saw Pendragon in Glasgow last year, and they were superb. Nick's anecdotes about his previous ventures beyond civilisation ("English go home"!) simply added to the intimate mood of the evening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 18:21
I too was at the gig in Leamington, mainly to see Sylvan for the first time and well overdue it was.
 
What a great band Sylvan are.
Love Pendragon too btw Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2010 at 14:04
I just saw the 2 Caamora shows in Santa Cruz Bolivia
Clive really took on a HUGE challenge
It's so complex to have all the musicians, singers, dancers and scenery work in a part of the world with no tradition of producing shows.
I must say it was an incredibly well presented show. There was a significant positive leap in the the 2nd night's performance.
I also had the chance to meet Scott. He's a beautiful nut case. Really great guy.
Tomorrow I'll be back in Miami

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2010 at 14:39
Victor, Man I envy you! I only saw Caamora on DVD Cry.

But I agee...it was quite a challenge! Yet, he pulled it off.
As for Scott: I love this guy! Met him before and after the Pendragon show in December in Holland.
Check out my pics here: http://http:;//www.mallrats.nl/photo.

Next month: Shadowland in Holland!


Cheerzzz,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 22:27
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Caamora In Santa Cruz, a great start to a new decade.

 

 

The Caamora shows in Santa Cruz de la Sierra were an incredible experience.

 

I want to share with you my sensations. I’m going to try to describe mainly what happened on stage during the two performances of SHE in Santa Cruz. In all fairness I should spend at least as much time describing the two years of work and effort that went into getting these shows to happen, but I just can’t write that much. Trust me when I say I have no recollection of ever seeing such difficult conditions for a show to go well. There were quite a few outstanding way beyond the call of duty efforts from quite a few of the behind scenes people. I really would like to mention all but Fernando Gomez and Tatiana Unzueta just laid it all on the line. I didn’t get to meet and talk with a lot of the other people so it leaves me a bit handicapped to speak about them. What is clear to me that I saw a huge amount of work and incredible grit to get this done.

 

The city of Santa Cruz in Bolivia has a population of about 1.5 million and has been expanding aggressively over the last few years. It’s the fastest developing area in the country. In life all is about where you were and where you’re heading, so due to the city’s growth there’s an expanding middle class and thus there’s an increasing interest in entertainment and cultural events.

 

For something like SHE to happen you need a promoter with the vision and perception to know that the city he lives in is just waiting for an event like this to happen. You need an incredibly well written musical or Rock Opera that has the character and quality to breakthrough to the people of a city who have never been able to experience a show like this in their hometown. If you’re able to merge those elements that are not easy to find you have a combination that will produce brilliant results. That is what happened in Santa Cruz

 

Two years ago I don’t think anyone except Ricardo Rosenblatt and Clive Nolan would have ever even thought of mounting a full scale stage production like this one in Santa Cruz. You have to be a dreamer in the best meaning of the word. You have to be committed, tough, visionary, very strong and a bit of a mental case too.

 

I arrived in Santa Cruz early in the morning the day before the first performance and was invited to be present during the show’s preparations at the Eagles Theater. When I got there things were not looking good, in fact they were far from it.

 

The preproduction and rehearsals had all sorts of difficulties. The stage decoration was completed way beyond schedule. The sound equipment was constantly breaking down and mysteriously popping back to life making it impossible to have consistent rehearsals. There were countless hurdles caused by language barriers between the different parties, plus a clear clash of experience and idiosyncrasies. Santa Cruz has no tradition what so ever in mounting complex stage productions, so much of the local personnel just don’t have the same sense of urgency that the more seasoned Anglo speaking members do. Tensions were high, so over the long days and on a rotating basis just about everyone involved lost their temper and threatened to walk out and go back home at one point or the other.

 

I don’t want to dwell too much on the problems since there were so many positives that came out of Santa Cruz.

 

I’ll never know if it was God in the Heavens, or the theatrical muses under the stage or even some Incan deities hiding in the foyer, or maybe a combined effort of all the mentioned but when the curtains rose most major problems just vanished, trembling hands steadied, performing instincts flourished and something very beautiful happened, the show simply worked. The audience loved it and that is what really matters after everything is said and done. I won’t compare the first night with the second but it was logically smoother than the first. I think that the final product of those two nights was great and that’s all that I really care about.

 

This was such a huge and complicated group effort that it almost sounds unfair to mention any of the parts individually.

 

On stage there was a unique combination of musicians, dancers, singers, technicians and supporting personnel from Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Poland, USA, Wales, England and Scotland. It was sort of like singing the 12 days of Christmas. The modified lyrics would need a bit of work but they could start like “On the 12th day of practice, Caamora had on stage, 1 Bolivian singer, 2 Chilean musicians, 3 Polish citizens, etc..”

 

The performance team of musicians and singers that was setup for these shows in Bolivia was rock solid and I’m still amazed that such a diverse group of people were able to come together and produce such an exciting show.

 

I really don’t know where to start describing what I felt while the huge amount of talent on stage delivered their performances. I’ll start by saying that the United Nations of musicians that performed in the upper echelons of the theater stage was simply great. They were cohesive, solid and sounded like a true orchestra.

 

Over the years I’ve been lucky enough to listen to most of the individual musicians play and perform in different bands and projects. The musicians I had never listened to in the past all have years of performing experience so nobody could really doubt that someone was out of their league.

 

The keyboards of Claudio Momberg and the bass playing of Jose Luis Ramos from Chile have always been great to listen to and their ability combining style and technique has always been an asset which they certainly displayed during the performances of SHE. Claudio showed his capacity to play while having to fill Clive’s shoes. I can imagine that it was not easy to play the keys knowing that none other than Clive Nolan was depending on him to play his forte. Jose Luis was rock solid keeping the rhythm section plowing through the scenes and movements without hesitation.

 

I’ve never seen Mark Westwood play live but I always thought that his playing on the NEO dvd I have at home was spot on and he definitely was up to caliber in Bolivia. He switches from electric to acoustic sounds with remarkable ease He leads and plays rhythm guitar parts with equal grace, a true asset to any live performance. He also has a great natural communion with the drummer Scott Higham so between both of them they were able to help keep the whole band in tempo when some mysterious problems seeped into the in ear monitors. One of the treats of going to Bolivia was to see such a well-rounded musician perform at the height that the circumstances required.

 

Gonzalo Paz is a Bolivian guitarist whom over the years has played in a long list of different bands. He has roamed through so many types of music that he can count on an endless supply of experiences to know exactly what each part of the orchestration needs. It doesn’t matter if the moment requires subtlety or iron power he’s great with both extremes and all the in betweens too.

 

I don’t think there’s any music fan on Earth who can’t be mesmerized with the beauty of Electric Light Orchestra’s string arrangements. So if someone like Hugh McDowell who was actually a main part of that glorious sound is performing on stage; it’s inevitable that the cello arrangements will be rich and bright thus becoming key elements to enrich the orchestration of SHE also.

 

I know of no other natural instrument that conveys mystery and fantasy as well as the Oboe. It’s a very clear and penetrating instrument, and it sounds like no other. Everything about the Oboe is particular. It’s such a unique instrument that most professional players even carve and mold their own double reeds to make their individual playing truly impossible to imitate. Alaster Bentley has years of experience and through his manning of the Oboe he was able to give the powerful orchestration of SHE some necessary contrast. His playing gave the arrangements the touch of mystery and penetrating personality that the music needed to transform the character of Ayesha into the powerful and conflicted 2,000 year old evil queen that won’t accept a no from anyone.

 

All the musicians and their art were highlighted with four main character vocalists and by the wonderful choral arrangements of the “Coro Municipal Santa Cecilia” commanded by the amazingly passionate Ana Karin Rrendon Crespo.

 

Just to have the opportunity enjoy the wonderful vocal talents and acting abilities of Christina Booth and Alan Reed was well worth the trip to Bolivia. However what made it a really special treat was to see them out of their normal fish bowls, the bands Magenta and Pallas. A lot of us tend to pigeon hole singers based on the very little that we know of them by listening to their albums, live recordings or by attending a few concerts that we may have personally seen. It seems that most of us are more open minded to seeing actors perform different kinds of roles than we allow ourselves with singers. We tend to forget that just like any other person they too have many aspects and layers in their lives. Allan and Christina proved beyond the slightest doubt that there’s a lot more to them than just Pallas or Magenta. Don’t get me wrong I like those bands very much so what I’m wishing for by no means is meant as a negative to their habitual performing neighborhoods, on the contrary. I sincerely hope that they have future opportunities to swim in other waters for their own enrichment and also my own as a listener.

 

Everything about Agnieszka Swita seems to have been born to interpret a powerful mysterious female figure. The person who plays the character of Ayesha needs to create a stage persona that is equally feared and desired. By description in the novel Ayesha needs to be heart stopping gorgeous and also have the power to erase from the face of Earth without an ounce of hesitation anyone who contradicts or displeases her in any way shape or form. As soon as she appeared on stage it was clear to me that Clive Nolan found the perfect match. In fact Agnieszka’s name even sounds similar to Ayesha the character’s name. She’s from Poland and that in itself makes her quite mysterious. The penetrating turquoise colored eyes that crown a long lean and graceful body just come alive with passion while she’s on stage. Her singing makes you believe you’re in the presence of cruel monster who’s long held notes convey the creature’s 2,000 years of gathering resentment and hate towards the world.

 

When H. Rider Haggard gave his novel the title SHE; it is usually considered that it was short for “She who must be obeyed”, if that is what the author intended as a message, then I must conclude that by choosing Agnieszka Swita as leading lady for that role Clive Nolan demonstrated the ability to not just write an incredibly powerful musical, he proved that he also has the eye to find the perfect “physique du role” for the main character.

 

I went to Bolivia with a clearly favorably biased opinion towards Scott Higham. Over the years of knowing Nick Barrett from Pendragon I don’t recall him ever being remotely so enthusiastic and fired up about the other drum players that have been part of that band. Prior to Bolivia I had never seen or heard a single recording of what Nick is calling the new sounding Pendragon. So I was really looking forward to listening to Scott. I was however well aware of the existing limitations that performing in this kind of show requires. I had heard a lot of how powerful Scott sounds and thought that he would need to be very contained. This type of presentation would require Scott to be more of a session musician and not be the live performance player that I had heard so much about.

 

I’m not a musician but I understand tennis very well. In tennis there’s a natural gift that a player is simply born with or not. No matter how perfect or relatively imperfect the technique of his strokes some players have the gift of ground breaking power others just don’t. It doesn’t matter how big, tall short or small the player might be. That power can’t be pin pointed as originating in the wrist, the elbow, shoulder, legs or in any combination of body parts imaginable. If the player has that gift of power, it simply exists. For all I know it might simply come from his soul, and would prove once again that a person’s spirit is the most invisible but most powerful muscle in the body.

 

Where ever his unexplainable power comes from, Scott has a similar gift for playing the drums. In tennis you need that savage power but you must be able to control it, if not the ball would never land in the bounds of the court thus making you lose the match. With drums if it’s simply pure raw power it becomes annoying and even a hindrance to the rest of the musicians. However Scott has something I would dare call “charismatic power”. In other words you can tell he’s loud you can tell he has power galore, but instead of irritating your eardrums you just want him to keep playing on and on. He’s rocking your insides, you feel like you want to explode and yell, but at the same time you still want to keep things in a beautifully controlled hum. It was quite an experience which I hope to eventually relive during a Pendragon concert in the near future so I can see him perform without the logical constraints of a musical.

 

All the good I have to say about my experience as a spectator of SHE in Bolivia boils down to two very specific points. All of the great things I saw exist due to Clive’s writing and creativity. I should also add a few other aspects but I feel that all of them can be anchored to those mentioned. I must highlight Clive’s passion to be constantly pushing his repertoire to express himself in different formats. The sheer amount of music he has written over the years is jaw dropping. What makes it so magnificent is that in spite of the volume it’s incredibly good writing not just tons of filler material. I can’t really say what his best creation has been and since he’s so rich in the variety it would also be very unfair since the qualification of “best” would inevitably be according to my inclination to like a certain specific style over another. So I’ll simply say that SHE is definitely among the best he has ever done. It is clearly the most ambitious project he’s ever wrapped himself in.

 

Clive created a fantastic piece of work however he really surprised me as a performer. His live singing is very good, a lot better than I would have imagined a few years ago. I’ve always seen him on stage behind the keyboards with Pendragon or Arena. For him to play the role of Leo he really peeled away his entire previous image. To see him moving freely on stage instead of his usual barrier of keyboards, without his classic black trench coat and no other instrument than his vocal chords was a remarkable contrast. I would dare say he was naked in a certain way. I believe that for a performer to change the way they have always communicated with their audience is excruciating difficult. The years of always playing keyboards such as in Clive’s case might make a performer very reluctant or afraid of doing something so different or out of his natural comfort zone. A lot of times the audience can be very unforgiving. They demand artists constantly do something new, original and different so as to keep their own interest alive. However if the artist in question does something “too” different they basically behead their so called favorite artist for not being loyal to their origins and the typical remark goes something like this “Nowadays he does junk, I like what he used to do 20 years ago”. So I sincerely applaud for Clive taking such a huge dive into unchartered waters, for daring to break his previous mold and allowing himself to reshape his image and show us what he’s capable of doing as the incredibly creative artist that he is.

 

I would like to be more detailed about the choreographies and the dancers. I just haven’t been exposed to enough ballet or modern dance to have a better way of describing what I saw. I listen to tons of music while driving or doing other activities but trying to watch videos of dancers while in the car or doing household chores could lead to vehicular accidents or chopped off fingers. I don’t want to fall victim of any accidents describing what I saw so I will keep it very simple. For someone who has no real inclination to watch dancing I really enjoyed all the movements that occurred on stage. The dancers looked great as a coordinated group, and they had plenty of margin to also shine individually or in pairs during numerous solos and duos. Their constant costume changes were worthy of any production I’ve seen in other parts of the world and went along very well with the different moments of the show and helped change the visual coloring of the stage in a beautiful way.

 

I know I’ve written a lot, maybe too much for certain people, but it’s a long flight from Santa Cruz to Miami and all the sensations are still very vivid so it’s easy to overdo it with the details. I’m very happy for all the people involved but especially for Ricardo and Clive. I think they pioneered something very important in Santa Cruz and will be the talk of the town for a long time. They made something happen for the first time and set a high bar for anyone else to follow. That is the kind of achievement that very few are able engineer.

 

This event is a true before and after for Santa Cruz. The fact that city mayor officially named Clive and Agnieszka “Illustrious Personalities of the City” really highlights what I believe.

 

As a signing off message I’ll simply say it was a wonderful and unique experience and I’m very grateful to a great friend like Ricardo who made it possible for me to be there and witness a dream that started two years ago and came to life in January of 2010. This was basically a great start to a new decade.

 

 

Sincerely

 

 

Victor Gospodinoff

January 24th 2010

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2010 at 08:36
Originally posted by Wilcey Wilcey wrote:

well for you Progkidjoel, here's the set list.............

Set1
Indigo
Eraserhead
Comatose
The Freak Show
It's Only Me

Set2
Learning Curve
The Last Man on Earth
Oh Divineo
If I Were The Wind
The King of the Castle
Leviathan
Nostradamus
The Shadow
The Black Knight
Am I Really Losing You
Paintbox
Masters of Illusion
Red Shoes
Fairytale of New York (with Christina from Magenta)


It was a Christmas show so it was a biggie and all a bit of fun, Pure is stunning live (so thought 596 peopleWink )

The boys would LOVE to come to Aus, we're getting more and more support down under. Some radio station in Tasmania does occaisional Pendie specials and are busy spreading the word.  IF a promoter made an serious offer they'd be there like a shot! (can we bring our surf boards as well as guitars?Tongue )

W x

Hey, Wilcey, what about Pendragon coming to Argentina in the near future?
They did two shows in 1998 (I think, not sure about the year), and I was a child by that time.
So, any chance of a gig?
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